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Transgendering A Toddler Is Child Abuse

Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 5 months ago to Philosophy
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I love the way this guy writes as well his willingness to address any 'political correctness' issue in plane language without fear of reprisal.

In this case: “The Day” referenced, is the day they decided to raise their son as their daughter. Just like that, a 3 year old says “I’m sad because I’m a boy” and his parents sentence him to a life as a transgendered person. Rather than tell Jack that being a boy was a good thing, rather than let him know society could not exist without men, rather than explain gender to Jack, deal with Jack’s sadness, or teach Jack how to be a man, these parents did what entirely too many parents do today, and placated him.

They bought him elastic hair bands and gave him ponytails. They, with the help of his pre-school teacher, began discussing what his female name would be. They, being the obviously less than creative people they are, decided to call Jack, Jackie. They bought Jack his own dresses, girl toys, and all the other things parents do when raising a girl."The hateful monsters of this world are the ones who tell sick people not to get better. The bigots are the ones who, in their contempt for humanity itself, encourage and promote a lethal illness. The cruelest and most evil people in this world are the ones who parade mental illness around as a source of pride for political purposes."

And:
"Men should be proud to be men, and women should be proud to be women. Both genders serve incredibly important and necessary purposes in society. Those purposes are different, they are unequal, and they are not always pleasant, but they have led us to become the undisputed ruling species of this planet. Those who would seek to undo this are the same ones who tell us that we should have fewer children because they blame “humanity” for the destruction of “nature” as if human beings were unnatural.

The promotion of transgenderism as some kind of civil rights cause that ought to be championed and paid for by government, is nothing short of a scheme to undo that which makes mankind the dominant species of the Earth. Gender is important, it is involuntary, and it is a positive and healthy feature of the human experience and our survival. The abolition of human gender is the abolition of the human race, I will stand in defiance against it until I am eaten by maggots, as should everyone who has even the slightest respect for humanity."
SOURCE URL: http://christophercantwell.com/2015/07/09/transgendering-a-toddler-is-child-abuse/#more-6547


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  • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 5 months ago
    My view is this.

    If you want to have your penis cut off and tucked inside to become some semblance of a women, go ahead. If you want to take hormones so your clitoris becomes a small penis and you want to call yourself man, who cares.

    DO NOT EXPECT ME TO PAY FOR IT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. It is YOUR choice, and you do not need to announce it to me as though I even care.

    Ohh I am transgender, or I am Gay or I am straight, SO FREEKING WHAT!!!. Do your damn job, keep the place you stick your genitals to yourself and do something productive, i.e. add some value.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 5 months ago
      Yes! I am a proponent of 'what is permitted' - if someone wants to create a gender of their own, more power to them. But it is not my gender nor is it my problem - and it certainly should not be my bill to pay.

      Jan
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      • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 5 months ago
        I would also add. DO NOT EVER ask, or expect me to condone or approve of those actions I WILL NOT!!!.

        Just because I do not care what you do to yourself, does not mean in any way I agree with your doing it.

        I just refuse to pay for it or participate in it in any way.
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        • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 5 months ago
          I am a bit more positive on this topic. I know a young man who asks to be addressed using masculine pronouns. He is short and...eh...quite feminine looking. As a matter of fact, if I did not know to use the masculine pronoun, I would unhesitatingly assign this person to the female gender.

          He is a very nice person, and I cross paths with him every month or so. I admire the way, with one superficial life decision, 'he' has totally eradicated all of the social expectations surrounding him: No one tried to make him buy a dress to go to the prom, go on dates. His relatives do not pester him to get married and have 2.7 children.

          It is rather elegant, actually. I am not sure if he is really cross-gender or if he has simply found a neat and somewhat amusing way of escaping from the pigeonholing of his life by society in general.

          Bravo.

          Jan
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    • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
      Ah, woody, I don't think the issue is that the trans world wants a tax deduction or other subsidy to help them on their chosen path...

      They just don't want their decision to be thwarted by any government official or group who thinks they're 'wrong' for thinking the way they do.

      That's where so many potential libertarians unmask themselves as ordinary Conservatives.

      Where, in the link, other than in some of the ranting comments, was there ANY mention of 'demanding that you or anyone else PAY for it?!'
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      • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 4 months ago
        Ahh but your wrong. They DO want and demand everyone else to pay for it. Why else do you think Obamacare via Government Regulation and Force coerces private insurance companies to pay for their transgender surgeries, medications and so on.

        If you have not seen these demands,and things that HAVE happened I have to ask. Where have you been since 2009?

        People have been getting sex changes for many years, they just had to pay for it themselves. NOW they can have you and me pay for it. Gee thanks Obama you jackass.

        That is part of why costs for you and I keep going up.

        http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/health/...

        http://www.parenting.com/article/what...

        https://obamacare.net/the-future-of-o...

        http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07...

        https://www.change.org/p/the-united-s...

        I do not care if you want to cut off your penis and have it sown to your forehead and you call yourself a rainbow unicorn.

        But I do expect you to bear the 100% total cost yourself for your DECISION!!!
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        • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
          For some reason, you seem to think that I'm on the side of folks who 'want the government to pay for everything...'

          No, I'm not a Democrat or a Liberal.

          I support private insurance contracts between individuals and companies, paid for BY the Individual, to cover whatever the hell they want covered (or not covered.)

          I was morbidly obese and discovered that, between BCBS and Medicare, I could get the appropriate surgery for a lot less out-of-pocket than if I'd walked into the bariatric surgery office and said, 'sign me up and here's the cash.'

          I took advantage of laws, regulations and opportunities already on the books.

          If you don't like the rules, work to change them, but don't beat me or anyone else for taking advantage of completely legal options.

          I know a guy who loves the full medical insurance, retirement plan and tons of other perqs he gets for working just a few months out of the year... like January through April. All that free coverage and benefits for working maybe 1/3 of a year. And he's a conservative/libertarian!!!

          How can you DO that, I asked! 'Because it's legal and available, and the IRS is willing to hire me EVERY YEAR to help them.'

          Now, bug off.
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          • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 4 months ago
            Liking something, just because it is "legal", using something, and the quantity of people "taking advantage" of it does not necessarily make it right, or proper.

            My issue is with Government MANDATING coverage due to some specific groups who think it is their right to TAKE from others by force using Government mandates to take the product of MY labor by force to satisfy their personal CHOICE.

            If you have entered into a voluntary contract between an insurance company whose VOLUNTARY coverage is part of the value you pay for fine. BUT Government has taken that VOLUNTARY aspect completely out.

            Also You and I can get the same IDENTICAL coverage, yet I have to pay $1678/mo, and you only pay $648/mo depending on your personal income? That is STEALING the product of MY labor. No different than if you were forced to pay $6.00 per gallon of gas while the welfare mooch pays 50 cents for the same gallon.

            That is NOT objectivist that is called being a Looter and/or Moocher.
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            • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
              Fine, Woodlema, but again, all I'm trying to do is be Socratic about the issue, nothing more...

              If you don't like the laws, work to change them and enlist others to help. Don't criticize me...

              Criticize them that's voted to elect and re-elect the 'people' who write and pass the legislation you don't like.

              You can either have Results or Reasons For Not Having Results, and the Choice is YOURS.
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              • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 4 months ago
                I do not think I criticized you. But if you have a personal feeling of guilt over what I stated then there is nothing I can do about that.

                I simply replied to your statement which implied I was just ranting (with no proof, just innuendo) about groups wanting to force others to pay for their personal decisions.


                Do you recall writing this? Oh..never-mind no need to recall, here is it.
                "Where, in the link, other than in some of the ranting comments, was there ANY mention of 'demanding that you or anyone else PAY for it?"
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                • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
                  nope. no feelings of guilt. I've never had many feelings of 'guilt' in my life, actually, and certainly not in areas like these.

                  Maybe the software here put one of my comments close to one of yours, helping you infer that my response was to your post, because there have been many times I've asked exactly that "who demanded YOU pay for it" question when folks explicitly made that complaint.

                  Whatever. But no guilt felt here... sorry.
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      • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
        You might check the referenced study concerning suicide attempts, suicide successes, and mental treatments both before and after SRS. To be paid for by the mental health are system's funding source. All of us.
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        • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
          And you assume that I support the concept of 'the mental health system being supported by all of us'?!

          I prefer individual health insurance contracts between people and companies.

          End of problem... And are those suicides not the RESULT, just possibly, of the way the 'average American' treats or relates to SRS folks?

          Which is the cause? SRS or warped mores and interpersonal treatment of others?
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  • Posted by kddr22 9 years, 5 months ago
    As a pediatrician and child abuse doctor I would not hesitate to hotline this... It is horrible what they are doing from a developmental aspect and socially. Political correctness be damned...
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    • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
      Have you talked to the kid about how THEY feel about it?!
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      • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
        I've talked to 31/2 yr olds, about fairies, animals that talk, what a tickle is, how to remember to go to the toilet, why one should eat all vegetables, why clowns aren't scary, why the pet dog isn't there anymore, why we don't play outside in our pajamas, that the ouch from the skinned knee is all better now, and a lot more in that line.

        But Body dysmorpic disorder like how one buys a car or how stars form seem to be a little outside their concerns or abilities to comprehend at that point.
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        • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
          And explicit in your comment is that they're 'suffering' from a 'disorder.'

          Not logical... conclusion drawn from your beliefs and prejudices. I don't have those prejudices so I can't make those assumptions or draw those 'conclusion.'
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          • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
            I don't assume that a 31/2 yr old suffers from anything other than bad parenting and certainly not a disorder--they're simply not formed or developed enough at that point to be disordered. But they can certainly be influenced in their development at that point in many ways and areas of their psyches, for better and worse. Denying that reality in order to support the later development of true body dimorphic disorders and gay issues is disingenuous and simply ignores the facts of the difficulties in life that such individuals experience.

            I'm familiar with your expressed attitudes towards all things LGBT related, and you assume too far in relation to any beliefs and prejudices of mine relating to those issues on a deeply personal and individual level.
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  • Posted by davidmcnab 9 years, 4 months ago
    A lot of these transgender cases can be the result of being born the opposite gender to what one or both of one's parents wanted. Another source is when one or both parents have a hatred for the baby's gender. A lot of these cases would clear up with some in-depth, preferably Jung-inspired, counselling, not the pissy superficial CBT shit that seems to be all the rage today.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
      I fear that you're correct about some of these cases--I hope not the 'lot' you mention. And I strongly agree with therapy instead of physical alteration of one's body.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 4 months ago
    When she was five, our daughter was enrolled in a Montessori school run by Christians. I do not know what happened in school that day, but she must have had a hard time. Anyway, on the way home, she said, "I wish I was dead." Why?, I asked. "So I could be in heaven with Jesus." I did not grant her wish.

    I do believe that gender cues are more subtle than some here seem to realize, and I accept that if a child is persistently happier in a different role, then that would be integral to their personhood. However, a chance comment by a child is not the basis for drastic action.

    I do point out that a boy dressing up like a girl is more strongly disapproved of than a girl being boyish. That's cute. It reflects the male domination in our society, that men are a standard for women to live up to. We have not come close to sociological equality. Equality is an issue when a woman wants to be a firefighter or a jet pilot. Equality is not a problem when a man wants to be a chef or a tailor. Men hold a status that can be challenged. Women do not.

    My wife once said that sometimes in meetings, she views people as brains on spinal columns, like seahorses. It may come to that, but we have a long way to go…
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    • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
      I think that a young girl being a tomboy, and a young boy being 'sensitive' fit well within the bell curve of biological, mental, and societal norms of humans. Both can and do have significant impacts on our societies and human condition and acceptance is not normally a problem anymore than 'true ladies' or 'men's men'. But when it comes to a belief that a 31/2 yr old can express a life changing choice to be supported to the level of the family discussed in the essay--that's nonsense.
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      • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
        And some change their minds and inclinations later in life. So, what's the bright red line of age, below which no person can make the decision of how to dress or act, and above which they're 'suddenly' qualified to do so?

        Y'all are SO funny!
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        • Posted by VetteGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
          You raise an interesting question about age. When is one old enough to be considered an adult, and able to make one's own choices.

          I got a driver's license at 16, could vote at 18, could not drink until 21, age of sexual consent varies from state to state. My great-grandmother was married at age 14.

          I don't expect a definitive answer here - in fact, I doubt there is one. But "every child is different" doesn't help get us closer to the answer. Is there another, more definitive way of determining maturity?
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          • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
            Medically, I think brain growth and development completes at about age 25 and it appears that is also about the age where the many growth plates and factors also slow down and begin reversal with the exception of the feet and nose. But of course there's the ability to procreate which is occurring at younger and younger ages, even 10 in some rare cases. I don't think anyone seriously argues that puberty is a realistic age for adulthood measurement. Though many in the LGBT community argue that hormone replacement should begin then, I suppose to halt or minimize the many natural sexual related physical changes until the decision is made to complete SRS.

            Socially and culturally, I think it varies all across the possible spectrum and I doubt there's any certain measurement. Personally, I think that here in the US, that we've been infantilizing our youth for decades now, particularly since the 50's, to the detriment of all.

            Good question. +1
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          • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
            My mom had my brother around age 18 or 20.

            In casual conversations with friends and relatives, I've suggested that men DO 'mature' later than women... by ten years or more!

            And most men don't really 'hit their prime' of having their heads screwed on frontwards until they're somewhere in their early or mid 40s. :)
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        • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
          I'd think it's obviously above 31/2. And that's not funny since influenced transgenderism has the probability of ruining a life.

          Want to do that with your kids--go ahead. Want to do it with mine--don't try it!!
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          • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
            Who said anyone wanted to DO IT to your kids or anyone else's?!
            Why do y'all keep injecting that into the "discussion"?!

            Oh, sorry... I realized why...
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            • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
              Birth defects are bad enough, but parent or socially induced disorders are even worse. That's why.
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              • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
                And you think it's a 'birth defect'? I'm confused...
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                • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
                  Yes, I think that certain (the majority) of LGBT conditions are in fact birth defects and I think that some LGBT expressions in that population are socially and parent influenced if not induced.

                  I think that any desire to surgically and hormonally alter one's physical appearance, beyond certain defect or injury caused conditions, is a mental disorder that effects one's life in numerous damaging ways.

                  Anything that follows from the work of John Money, a monster of Nazi Doctors' proportions, is just flat wrong.
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                  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
                    Consensus is not Truth, Agreement is nice but doesn't make anything a Fact... it's just Agreement.

                    And/or link to double-blind controlled experimental data that in any way proves that what you Think is based on reality and not your opinion.

                    If you can tell the difference... I can.
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                    • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
                      I fail to see any reference to consensus or agreement.

                      As to the study, I still reference the study indicated in the article as a good starting point and one of the latest.
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                      • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
                        Found it in the article...
                        "Transgenderism is a body dysmorphic disorder. A person, for whatever reason, feels uncomfortable in their own skin. You see similar things in anorexic people who are insanely thin, but have an irrational fear that they are obese. Telling Jack that he can be a girl, is like telling an anorexic that they are fat and should not eat. It is an abusive, sick, terrible, and depraved thing to do to a person if they are a stranger, and for a parent to do it to a child is arguably as bad as sexually molesting them. Child sexual abuse victims have a greater chance of leading a healthy life, than do transgendered people."

                        ALL of those comments are ASSERTIONS that presumably are correct in the author's mind, but contain no link or proof as to their veracity.

                        The statements are 'true' because the author believes them to be true and he's based his 'argument' on that 'obvious truth' without proving it.

                        If lots of people agree with him, THAT is 'consensus' and consensus (or 'agreement') is NOT a proof.

                        And to ASSERT that taking bold steps to 'correct' a young child is "abuse" is projection, at least until they've interviewed a LOT of 'children' who've BEEN THROUGH that process and can describe their own feelings and conclusions about the effectiveness OR desirability of such "corrective action."

                        You may not LIKE something for a whole slew of reasons, but that, too, is not [pardon the concept...] an Objectivist-based reason to legislate against it. If it is, it just proves that laws are the result of consensus and Truth is not part of the equation.

                        Cheers!
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                        • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
                          I haven't seen anyone suggest a law in this post.

                          The only reference to consensus is your's.

                          You're obviously not interested in the referred study of the suicide, attempted suicide, mental health, and other issues after SRS--apparently only in being a contrarian on this issue of transgenderism. But this is the study mentioned: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic...

                          John Money's purported research and published work on labelling humans with grammatical category (gender) in 1955 based on his study of hermaphrodites, followed by his experiment in the John/Jane(?) case study (medical and professional quackery, malpractice, and evil nearing that of Nazi Dr.s), and his advocacy of SRS has been soundly disputed by the subjects of his research in 1997, and professionally. It appears that the Swedish study strongly supports that refutation.

                          This strike 1.
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                          • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
                            The fact that I'm the only one who's mentioned consensus is irrelevant. Your assertion implies that the 'consensus' of NOT mentioning the effects of 'consensus' is a kind of consensus itself, just in a negative space. That's not proof, either.

                            And it's "yours" not "your's"...btw... FIFY.

                            I have no trouble acknowledging data on suicide, etc., among post-SRS people, but to conclude or imply that societal pressure is not a factor but having had SRS IS the predominant driving force is also illogical.

                            This is getting too funny.
                            Thanks.
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      • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 4 months ago
        I agree with you 100% on that. The parents are idiots. To play on an old saw, God must love the stupid: he made so many of them.

        That said, though, the fact is that "sissies" and "tomboys" are often not just phases kids grow out of - and the longterm choices do not yet resonate well within our society. While adults manage well enough, tweens and teens have it pretty hard. High school is a harsh environment. I grant, though, that we have made much progress.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 5 months ago
    I mean no offense to transgender people, but I do not understand it. It seems like boys could do have traditionally female hair and clothing style without changing their names. Saying they have to officially change gender gives too much importance to gender. Gender is just the cultural things surrounding being male/female. We give gender too much power if we have to assert someone as a girl because he like to do stereo-typically female things.

    I categorically reject what the author says about gender roles being important. I say they should be abolished. Just treat people equally. Don't look at their group. If they're into things normally associated with the opposite gender, who cares. Contrary to what the author says, following gender roles has not led to human greatness. Human greatness comes from allowing individuals to express their own unique attributes without regard to group membership.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago
      So if we sew the females up and chop the males off at birth--oops, we'd have to dig out the ovaries before they could start producing hormones--damn again, they start doing that before birth. Goddamn that biology thing. Reality just keeps fu($ ing up the way we ought to be. Jesus christ on a popsicle stick, can you possibly go any further into rainbow and unicorn land?

      If any of that seems to strong for you, go back to grade school and start over again with general science and biology--and wear a skirt, not a kilt, a skirt. I just get really tired of purposeful ignorance and fools that want to take any opportunity to demonstrate it.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 5 months ago
        I don't get what your issue is. I'm saying the same thing-- boys don't have to change their names or physical biology if they like "girl" stuff, and vice versa.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
          No, you're not saying the same thing or anything similar. You're trying to say that gender is a role generated in society and culture, and totally ignoring the biological evidence and facts that are right in front of your nose. You therefor imply or state that what this set of parents are doing to a 31/2 yr old is an OK thing to do. A zygote dropping down the fallopian tube prior to implantation or anytime following can be sexed, through the genetic makeup of the cell, XX, XY stuff. It's basic biology. You're trying to separate gender from the sex of the individual and that's ignorance.

          And the author nor I, are arguing about what toys children play with or how long their hair is, nor is the discussion about tomboys or sissyboys. You obviously didn't read the entire article including the referenced study of the mental and mortality success/failure of trans gender sex reassignment surgery.

          No-one is apparently 100% certain of the derivation of body dysmorphic disorder, but it is a significant mental disorder resulting in anorexia, limb amputation, and sex reassignment surgery, not to be confused with hermaphrodite conditions and some of the barbaric treatments of sex assignment (not reassignment) surgery for those humans.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
            Yes. I'm saying gender is separate from sex. This makes me not understand why people could feel the need to change sex or gender. I don't understand how I could say "I feel like a woman" b/c if I'm biologically male, how I feel is by definition one way for a male to feel. So I just don't get the need to be a different gender. It seems to give too much importance to gender.
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            • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
              I disagree with your conclusion, But I can understand your failing to grasp the sex controlled 'gender' expressions of individuals. During fetal development, the sex genes cause an amazing number of effects on nearly all aspects of the fetus. It's estimated that some 250 sex related alterations happen to the male fetus.

              The problem started with a discredited sexologist named John Money, a man deserving of the term monster, as applied to the Nazi Doctors of fame. He's the one, in 1955, that introduced the term gender to the general language as descriptive of roles or expressions of the sexes. Prior to that date, gender was commonly used to denote grammatical categories. Through his studies of hermaphrodites, he developed the ideas of sex reassignment surgeries and he destroyed the lives of at least one family, the John/Jane case that he based much of his revelations upon claiming success. His role in that stupendously failing, in my opinion criminal, experiment only came to light in the late 90's and early 2000's.

              By that point, many in the LGBT and socially progressive communities had accepted and adopted the idiot's reasoning and beliefs. And their belief systems, to a large extent, are based on that man's errant work.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
                What is the result of sex genes affecting so many traits? That part rings true, but I don't get why Jack has to become Jackie. Why can't Jack, I wonder, wear dresses and girls' hairstyles and still use a boy's name? Furthermore, why does a parent's decision to call Jack Jackie (which I don't understand) make people in the article argue that the genders serve seperate and unequal purposes that we should be proud of. We do not have to be proud of our group traits. Let Jack serve his own purposes and desires, which might involve wearing women's clothes, and be proud of that.

                Sorry to make a joke about something serious, but if you had mention the "infamous sexologist Dr. Money" I would have a guessed it was a stage name for a rapper. I'm really ignorant about that.
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                • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
                  I agree that an adult wanting to dress anyway he/she/both wants is and should be an individual choice. I don't agree with parents or society trying to influence them to do something at an early age that has a good chance of resulting in mental disorder later in life or trying to make that an acceptable part of my child's life.

                  As to Dr. (?) Money, read up him. He was a medical/mental monster.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 4 months ago
    I cry bullshit. You cannot make someone transgender or unmake that state if they are transgender. A is A. Gender is not so simple as some wish it was. Sorry about that. But reality is what it is.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
      The word gender (prior to 1955 a term most commonly applied as grammatical categories) applied as labels of humans by John Money, a soundly discredited quack and near Nazi level monster, and advocate of SAS and SRS based on his study of hermaphrodites is bullshit. The actual lives of his normal study test subjects subjected to SRS and SR therapy as children, finally revealed by the participants (victims) in 1997 should have stopped the nonsense.

      Relying on a fraud and quack for support of an entire industry to take advantage of or to influence or induce the mental disorder of Body Dysmorphic Disorder just emphasizes the fallacies of belief systems over actual science and facts of reality.
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  • Posted by vido 9 years, 4 months ago
    Transgenderism is a serious mental disorder (see the DSM for details), projecting it on a little boys may be a greater mental disorder (Munchausen by proxy ?). Besides, the boy protests he is a boy, which shows the complete inanity of his parents' charade.
    It is, definitely, child abuse.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 4 months ago
    While I agree with your assessment of the original story, I question the mindset of the blogger you linked to. He wrote: "It’s a good thing I was a child of the 80’s. While I certainly have my disagreements with how my parents handled a lot of things in my childhood and beyond, this was one of their better decisions. Boys need to be taught by their fathers how to be men. Girls need to be taught by their mothers how to be women. My father wasn’t the best of role models, but he taught me to work, he taught me that a man sometimes had to fight, he taught me that a man often had to put his emotions aside and do what was necessary."

    (1) The challenges to gender roles are not post-millennial inventions. Simone de Beauvoir THE SECOND SEX (1949). Betty Friedan THE FEMININE MYSTIQUE (1963). MS. MAGAZINE (1971). This has been a long time coming.

    (1A) It parallels the civil rights movement in the USA, and properly so. (It is deeply meaningful that Major League Baseball was integrated before Brown v. Board.) Some see the present course as decadent but to me, it is an Age of Reason built upon a Renaissance. The post-industrial society and information era were constructed on the foundation of 19th century capitalism. (Yes, I know about the Federal Reserve and the Income Tax, just as after the Renaissance, we had intervening wars of religion, before the Enlightenment.)

    (2) What does it mean to be a "man" or a "woman"? Those roles are socially constructed, and they changed over time and place. As I pointed out before Karl Marx wrung his hands over the way capitalism took women out of the home. Isaac Asimov called the typewriter the greatest liberator in history. I point out that the first telephone operators were boys, but women replaced them for all the right reasons. I have written here also about women telegraphers. Is there any reason that a man cannot stay home and raise the kids while the wife who earns more works outside the home?

    (3) More deeply, consider that blogger Christopher Cantwell believes that being a man means stifling his emotions. In the first place, that repression is a blanking out, a refusal to identify reality. Your emotions are the sum total expressions of your lifelong ideas. Negate them and you deny yourself -- which many men do -- with disastrous psychological consequences.

    (3A) Alternately, I grant that not letting your emotions run away with you is often a good path. Heroism is overcoming your fears. Do women not get to enjoy the same strength of character? Would she not be a "real woman". History is replete with women who showed courage on the battlefield - and who were no less wives and mothers.

    (3B) Is womanhood then synonymous with wifehood and motherhood? Must a man be a husband and father to be a man? These questions are over 50 years old. Mostly, they have been answered by two generations who reject the Victorian role models.

    (4) Those role models were eroded by capitalism. The machine age removed the advantage of physical strength and delivered the advantage to intelligence. Since women are statistically more intelligent than men, it follows that a truly free society would be a mirror image of ours, with women in marginal control of most things and men marginally in supportive roles, a world of Dagny Taggarts and Eddie Willerses.

    (5) A couple of months ago, I read through 2312 by Kim Stanley Robinson. The novel was flawed on several grounds, but I accept his sociological assumption that gender and sex would be fluid. By analogy, you could not go back to 1715 and explain America today as a land without five grades of nobility and no royal house. … A land not just with no national church, but one where 20% of the people express little or no religious affiliation. … A land where most people spend many hours each day writing letters to each other…
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
      I agree with almost all your comments. I have a note about averages.

      "The machine age removed the advantage of physical strength and delivered the advantage to intelligence. Since women are statistically more intelligent than men, "

      Averages don't matter when assessing individuals. Each sex might be better than the other in some area on the average, but usually there's more variation from individual to individual. In the US Asians do better on engineering test than African Americans, but I know many stark counter examples. We wouldn't say, "Engineering is a task suited for Asians."
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    • Posted by TheRealBill 9 years, 4 months ago
      Regarding item 4, it does not follow thusly. In order for that assertion it be true, so many other things which we know to be false would have to be true.

      Intelligence isn't the dominating factor in control, and really it almost never is. It is the desire, or even obsession, with being in control which is the dominant factor. Men and women would have to have the same interests as well as the same desire in the same proportion in order for your argument to stand a chance at being correct.

      We know these are not the same across the sexes. We are wired differently, and are hormonal key different. These facts ensure there is no normal distribution to naturally occur.

      Male hormones bias men toward dominating behavior. Female hormones do not.

      The world is not a place where mistaken notions of different groups with different background, culture, hormones, gut biomes, and many other traits will be "proportionally represented". It doesn't happen in nature, and there is no reason to believe it should happen.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 4 months ago
    The state should certainly not pay for transgenderism. But the rest of this piece is Luddite BS, and we've heard it before.

    As for the decision being made by a child -- I would not go along with doing the surgery until the subject is an adult and makes his/her own choice. But just dressing and living as the new identity is harmless, and it's stupid to call it child abuse.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
      I'm not clear where you find Luddite in the article?
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      • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 4 months ago
        I'm saying gender categories are not only unimportant, but transcending them is just the first step of transhumanism. ALL of which should be tolerated.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
          And I'm saying that 'gender categories' belong to grammar. Applying them to actual humans is nonsense of the worst kind. It's labelling. And it originated with a monster named John Money in 1955.

          In my thinking, he's Mike--not gay Mike, and I treated him as Mike his entire life from his birth to his death, which wasn't a terribly long time.

          And had Mike been labelled as gay Mike at 31/2, his life would have been immeasurably worse than it was.

          I still fail to see Ludditeness.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 5 months ago
    Perhaps there are some people born into the wrong
    sex; it might have something to do with hormones,
    or body chemistry. I don't know. But that decision
    should not be made by a child. A sex change oper-
    ation should not be done until the person is an a-
    dult, and decides. And such a person should
    not be allowed to go into the bathroom of the
    other sex, (other than as a janitor or plumber,
    etc.) until such operation has been performed.
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  • Posted by JoleneMartens1982 9 years, 5 months ago
    I think it's ridiculous to let a 3 year old make that sort of a life changing decision. I let my kids try on my dresses, and make up, but quickly remind them that we're just playing and that they are boys and should be very proud of who they are. I also have let them play with dolls at other's homes. But at the end of the day my children know which restroom stick figure most closely resembles them. If at an older age they decide to change that, more power to them. But I will teach them about their God given body until that day. Just my opinion.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 5 months ago
    What a bizarre article. I agree with CircuitGuy - if a child wants to have an identity outside of some arbitrary pigeonhole...that is just fine.

    I should not have to argue on this list that it is OK to sidestep societies dictates and create your own definitions.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago
    It's actually championed and paid for by George Soros and Peter Lewis through the ACLU and supported by the Secular Progressives. Another name for Enemies Domestic
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