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Sugar Daddies Are Paying Their Share Of The $1.3 Trillion Student Loan Balance

Posted by UncommonSense 9 years, 4 months ago to Education
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When will the new generation wake up and as a collective whole (the commies would understand that one), STOP going to college altogether?

Just imagine the possibilities if nobody signed up for college course for one semester...let the firings of the commie professors begin, and the prices of tuition come down.
SOURCE URL: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-03/sugar-daddies-are-paying-their-share-13-trillion-student-loan-balance


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    Posted by VetteGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
    The easy access to student loans is driving up the cost of education to a ridiculous extreme. If people only went to college if they could pay (by working their way through, parent support, etc) the demand side would go down considerably.

    The loans allow the colleges to charge more, which in turn requires more loans to be able to continue. Classic death spiral. Unfortunately it does not become clear to the student until he/she graduates with a degree that doesn't increase their value to the market.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 4 months ago
      College won't tell students if there are less jobs than the graduates being pumped out for a certain field.
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      • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 4 months ago
        Research of this type should be mostly the responsibility of the prospective student. Thanks to the Internet, information on the job market is not that hard to come by.
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        • Posted by VetteGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
          While I agree with you in principle, too many high school grads are being told to "follow your dreams" or worse yet "go ahead and start college. You can figure out what you want to be later". At 18, it's easy to fall for that line. In my opinion, there should be no "undecided" majors. Decide on a career first, THEN get the training to pursue it.
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          • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 4 months ago
            I earned a liberal arts undergraduate degree, followed by two careers unrelated to that degree. But the fact that I had a degree helped get me in the door. This was 50 years ago so I don't know if the same circumstances would apply today.

            At 18 one does not necessarily have the skill or experience to decide on a lifetime career. Student loans can sometimes make sense, but only in a situation where a private lender has the tools to assess the risk/reward and set the loan amount and interest rate appropriately. This would be a free-market way of matching up the supply of graduates with the later demand for their services.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 4 months ago
    I am not sure that this article made sense. I followed some of the links, and looked at the graphs. Why would there be so many "sugar babies" who have nursing degrees when nurses are being snapped up by healthcare industry as soon as they stick their little pink noses out over their nursing credential?

    I would like to submit a suggestion that Wm has made me aware of: If you eliminate non-major requirements (eg English Literature, World Gov, etc) and hire extra teachers for the classes that are actually in demand, you enable students to get their 4 year degree in 3 years instead of in 5 or 6.

    The problem with this is philosophical on the part of the school: they cannot then rationalize the continued hire of professors who are teaching unwanted courses. So the colleges proclaim that a "Bachelor of Arts" degree indicates an individual with a breadth of education suitable for an upper class Victorian Englishman and require students to take non-essential classes. (OK...the university may not phrase their requirements in just that fashion.)

    My point is that even this small a change would decrease the student debt and introduce the idea of competing for the students, many of whom are actually interested in jobs and not Middle English Poetry.

    Jan, learned ME on her own
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    • Posted by VetteGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
      Hi Jan,
      From your post above, I assume that "learned ME on her own" refers to Middle English poetry, not Mechanical Engineering. I hope ...

      VG
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      • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 4 months ago
        Yes. While I am willing to study Mechanical Engineering on mine own...I have serious doubts about my making much headway in that discipline without explicit instruction.

        So easily, this hope is fulfilled!

        Jan
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    • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 4 months ago
      That used to be what trade schools did, but those began to be pushed out of the public's eye by Woodrow Wilson. Now the establishment education system has pretty much indoctrinated the business culture to believe that if you don't have a four year degree no amount of work ethic or experience can make up for it.
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      • Posted by VetteGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
        Trade schools still exist, but unfortunately many college educated people "look down on" people who go to trade school. I know from working in the utility industry that certain trades (good welders, for one) are hard to find, and can make good money. As more high school grads are being told they "have to go to college to get a good job", the replenishing of skilled craftsmen is sorely lacking.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 4 months ago
          Agreed. It used to be that a trade school was a more common method of entering a specific vocation, and with it came acknowledged titular levels of knowledge such as "apprentice", "journeyman", and "master". I lament the fact that our present education system has been so heavily perverted and skewed toward university education (which used to be just for law and medicine).
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago
      Isnt that what Phoenix University Systems does? Add cut out the fluff, parties, sports and other unrelated extras and see what's left to pay for.'

      Athletic scholarships should be an automatic degree in Entertainment Arts with a business and teaching minor.

      My first two years at University were $1300 a year for everything. My kid shelled out $30,000 a year up until Doctorate level. Medical an Psychiatric. Managed on academic scholarships, grants-in-aid, on campus jobs and playing piano in various night spots also occasional flute.

      I never used mine for work. It was for my own education and quit after the MA following the advice if you want to get laid go to college if you want an education read a book. then I went back to work blue collar and made so much money I couldn't afford to go to work in PolySci or History .

      I easily made double what a teacher 20 years of experience pulled in and worked eight months with 4 full months off.

      now I'm doing a home course in Physics and related sciences and mathematics.. nothing deep just enough to understand the difference between DNA and Astro Navigation. Little light reading never hurt anyone.
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      • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 4 months ago
        Bravo. I am always learning stuff: Egyptian Hieroglyphics are current source of fascination.

        I took a Paleoanthropology course online, and it was great...but I knew more than all but a half dozen of the class (and the teachers). All of the other courses I have investigated seem to be more superficial than that. I can understand the basic stuff on mine own, it is the real details I would like a class for. If I find an online course on the topics that interest me I may go on for additional degrees, but so far no cigar.

        Jan
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 4 months ago
    College is unaffordable. College degrees don't guarantee that the person holding it got an education. Larger corporations won't accept applicants for employment without a meaningless degree. Alice's Wonderland made much more sense than today's education system. I often feel like the guy at the end of the film, "Bridge on the River Kwai." He looked at the dead bodies, and at the destroyed bridge and all he could say was, "Madness, madness."
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 4 months ago
    This is why the Democrats are pushing the idea that university be made "free". They don't want us to be able to make it go away by not sending our kids.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 4 months ago
    It's only one piece of success, I have a degree, getting an MBA next year, founded and ran two corporations that were profitable and one had 200 people, military service vet, and I'm in technical fields.

    My advice would be zero interest in 'arts' degrees, stick to hard sciences. The liberal arts stuff really is of zero value in the market. Work and get experience, if you can't find one, make your own. 2 years of couch surfing with mom and dad looks bad.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago
    For the men who aren't paying the answer is easy. To get a loan they had to sign up for military service. If they aren't paying send the reporting notice. That earns the current GI Bill which can be applied . Remember the little card men signed at age 18? No longer draftable they are volunteers. Women get a free ride. That's where sugar daddies come in.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 4 months ago
      I went through college on a loan I obtained as a child of a disabled veteran, but while the loan was deferred whilst I was in the USAF, it was not forgiven: I had to start paying on it about 6 months after I got out of the AF.

      Jan
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  • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years, 4 months ago
    I hate to couch it in these terms, but it's better than forgiving the loans an sticking the taxpayers (once again) with the check. This way at least somebody gets something they want.

    Sheesh.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
      Yes, true. But if colleges are going to insist on indoctrinating kids versus actually educating them, then the cost should be free. Right? You'd think the marxist-loving professors would agree with that. If you haven't seen the independent film "Indoctrinate U" from 2007, I strongly recommend you do.
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      • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years, 4 months ago
        I was stunned when that occupy movement was going on and a tenured professor was telling the crowd that that have a right to a free education. The first question I wanted to ask was if he was truly willing to teach for free. Then it dawned on me that this had not occurred to anyone there! The problem of course is that liberals are willfully ignorant of the difference between 'free' and 'someone else will have to pay for it'.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 4 months ago
      It amounts to the same thing, since many of those who got useless degrees are never going to be able to pay off the loans in their lives.

      What I want to see is the states beginning to spin off their universities as private companies -- so that if they continue to offer worthless degrees, they can be sued for fraud.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 4 months ago
    My advice is NOT to go to college at all. Just go out there and learn what YOU need to learn at the time YOU need to learn it. That way its up to YOU to pick careers that will make you money and make you happy. The degree just doesnt do that now, and maybe it never really did. I learn more now from the internet and youtube than I ever would in a college course.
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    • Posted by VetteGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
      That may work in some fields, but in some you need a degree as your ticket to get in the door. Engineering (my field) for instance. While I agree that I learned more practical knowledge on the job than in college (by far!) you have to have the degree just to get started. You might get a job with an engineering firm (drafter or designer) but you will never "work your way up" to engineer.
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      • Posted by term2 9 years, 4 months ago
        I am an engineer too. I did go to college, did get two corporate jobs that led nowhere. Then I went into inventing things where I made some good money. What people need to learn is how to make money first. College doesn't teach thst
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  • Posted by vido 9 years, 4 months ago
    I recommend a very good book on this subject : "Worthless", by Aaron Clarey. Available for a few buck on Amazon, paper or Kindle versions.
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