Is Objectivism doomed to be esoteric?

Posted by ekr990011 9 years, 4 months ago to History
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There was an interesting discussion in March about if objectivism could be applied as a societal glue. I have felt that unfortunately a lot of good common sense reason is usually so spread apart and needs to be cherry picked from the depths of innumerable ideas not only in the philosophical realm but at large in general. Perhaps i'm just naive or not connected the dots as intended however, I can't seem to escape the horrible pessimism of the fact that the logical answers to many of the problems faced seem to be lost to the populous as a whole for the most part. Now granted, perhaps I am just myself ignorant of the best paths to be traveled. How, if ever is objectivism brought out of obscurity? I would like to personally think that it, along with many other brilliant ideas of humanity must be able to be understood by the populous as a whole as well as accepted. Despite all of the transgressions I have made against humanity being able to pick an enlightened path, there clearly has been continued technological improvements and better understanding of moral principle guidelines that counter the doomsayer in myself. Are we on the right path and it merely takes time? Have these improvements manifested a minor facade meant to simply distract, or are they genuine progress, that is just too gradual to curb my appetite for bigger, faster, stronger, right now? Is the black hole of appeared stagnation just a figment of the human mind that can never be satisfied by where we are and what we are doing? The mind can't help but notice inadequacies at every turn, at every glance, the failure of all of us to do better for ourselves which we all like to state is our goal. I know it is not necessarily "us" but humanity seems to keep following a path of allowing greatness to flourish until it is noticed, then immediately taking an about turn towards self deprivation as some sort of sick sadistic game we all enjoy playing. Do we really want progress? So many of us define progress different when applied to ourselves and others that could we even get all of us to agree on what "progress" is? Certainly the fact that a thousand years ago our ancestors may not have even be able to ponder in the most splendid of day dreams where we now sit, laughing about issues like how the food was, when we use to only talk about it in terms of life and death. I would like to think that "progress" should essentially be exponentially increasing as have so many other achievements that we tout as progress have before.The foul taste of disappointment does not subside at this realization of past accomplishments like it would be expected to but instead, either from noticing that we are no longer increasing our standing as quickly, or because of that delusion in the mind I find no comfort anymore knowing how far we have come. The disappointment with society's current standing seems to surmount what in a far distant future could be regarded as an amazingly quick move in progress compared to just a hundred years ago. I know I am not alone in my disgust however I only see continued erosion in the rate of progress (if there is any currently) when looking towards any meaningful future for any individuals currently. Anyways sorry to throw a dark set of questions out there, but I look forward to the many different answers to come.


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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 4 months ago
    When you have a Salon.com running Rand rants 3 times a week and Huffpost as well, you know there is progress. People tend to not notice their gilded cages until alarming things happen. Military walking in formation down residential streets for one. More Snowdens for another. For those of us in the idea business, it is a long game. We stay focused work on our own happiness and not shy from the conversation. I no longer agree the dinner table is not the place for political discussion.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 4 months ago
    I hope not. I was lucky enough to get to talk at Atlas Summit 2015 and they were discussing the split from ARI and it somewhat reminded me of the many splits in christianity at its beginning.

    David Kelly was relating a conversation he had with John Aglialoro and John said in 50 years there will not be a TAS and an ARI there will be one objectivist organization and David responded no there will be hundreds or thousands of objectivist organizations.
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    • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 4 months ago
      +1 For truth

      I remember that exchange very well.

      To be viable Objectivist organizations have to grow and spread. Individual chapters under an umbrella makes a lot of sense.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 4 months ago
    Your questions are fair enough, but to me, they're off the mark. First of all, no, Objectivism will never be a societal glue. But it will be society's undoing, at least the societies that have arisen in our history to date. Those societies have given us countless deaths and destructions and have all tamped the individual down to some acceptable common denominator of the society within which the individual is born. Wars by society, murders by society, slavery by society, destructions by society, collapse by society--why would you desire something that could hold that together?

    That's the beauty, the simple enormity of Objectivism--the realization of the free individual operating with the rights that are his by his existence, not those allowed to him by his society. A life with society only serving and adjusting to and changing to be acceptable to the individual, to the achiever and producer. A society of individuals, in which he is free to live his life as he will and protect his freedom to do so, responsible to himself to work for and earn his needs of survival and free to trade with others on his and the others terms with no interference from his or the other's society.

    Will any of this happen today, tomorrow, or even next year? Will it be we that accomplish it? Will it be a smooth or steady transition? No. But the youth of today are asking more questions in relation to freedom and liberty than any time in my memory and of any history I've read. AR's novel, AS is still listed as the highest selling novel of all time and is still selling. There are more articles in the mass media in opposition to AR and ideas of liberty than I've ever seen and more discussion of freedom in the alternative media than ever before.

    And something that we've all kind of let slip to the back of our minds. Bundy Ranch, the Oregon Mine vs BLM, all the state's that are legalizing Marijuana use and hemp agriculture, the failure of gun control after Sandy Hook, the Free State Project, Cop Block and Cop Watch, and even the gay marriage decision. Every one of those occurrences are monuments to individual freedoms and each by itself are things that haven't happened in this country for a long, long time. And maybe one of the biggest, most impactful; Objectivism has moved beyond the realm of intellectuals to sites and discussion groups like The Gulch and to those that are finding their own ways to live as free individuals.

    There's still a long way to go, a lot of people to talk to, and there's going to be a lot of painful and individual setbacks. I don't think there's reason to celebrate yet, but this conversation couldn't or wouldn't have happened in these terms twenty or thirty years ago.
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