Flags and the Thought Police
Posted by robgambrill 9 years, 5 months ago to Culture
I never really cared for the confederate flag, but I heard today that E-bay had banned their sale.
Just to see what would happen, I decided to try and order one off of Amazon, just as they decided not to allow the sale of rebel flags as well.
As they were taking down the offerings, I noticed that other historical flags were being pulled as well. The picture is from my "Wish List". Not sure the web masters knew which flags to pull off the site.
I eventually managed to order both a "Don't Tread on Me" flag and a small rebel flag as a souvenir of the day the thought police decided I shouldn't be able to buy a flag because of somebodies idea of what it stands for.
I could be mistaken, but I think for a lot of people, the confederate flag has to more to do with a wish to be free of the federal government than history or race issues.
The seller shipped the rebel flag right away, guess he didn't want to get stuck with the inventory.
. I guess I am not comfortable with banning the sale of flags, even unpopular ones.
Just to see what would happen, I decided to try and order one off of Amazon, just as they decided not to allow the sale of rebel flags as well.
As they were taking down the offerings, I noticed that other historical flags were being pulled as well. The picture is from my "Wish List". Not sure the web masters knew which flags to pull off the site.
I eventually managed to order both a "Don't Tread on Me" flag and a small rebel flag as a souvenir of the day the thought police decided I shouldn't be able to buy a flag because of somebodies idea of what it stands for.
I could be mistaken, but I think for a lot of people, the confederate flag has to more to do with a wish to be free of the federal government than history or race issues.
The seller shipped the rebel flag right away, guess he didn't want to get stuck with the inventory.
. I guess I am not comfortable with banning the sale of flags, even unpopular ones.
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http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40...
Recalling some of the signs carried by the Occupy Movement, I don't think the leftist PC Thought Police really cares if the Jews have hurt feelings.
This concept of banning "ideas" is VERY scary.
Perhaps we should file a suit against eBay and Amazon for discrimination against Red Necks. "I wanted one for my wedding cake!"
If you haven't already noticed, Old Dino can have a dangerous imagination.
I've just had a vision of a buxom babe atop a wedding cake waving a rebel flag and singing, "You don't have to be lonely at Farmers Only-dot-Com."
(That cake is either mighty big if not stiff for stale or that country gal is mighty small).
Sometimes the swastika was turned the opposite way.
I don't think the Oriental and Nazi versions are related. I think the Nazi black swastika is derived from Aryan runes.
The fact that the south refused to act like humans may be the reason states rights have been abridged in the United States!
Lincoln envisioned the Reconstruction as an act of revitalization for the South, reuniting them with the rest of the nation, but his assassination destroyed his vision. The bitter abolitionists who took over the Reconstruction saw it as a way to punish a rebellious population, and the South was pillaged economically, treated far more harshly than any other nation defeated by the U.S. That created an angry, resentful South that treated the African Americans as a surrogate for the abusive North.
Many of the various monuments and the tolerance for the rebel battle flag were a kind of backhanded excuse to soften Southern bitterness. President Wilson (racist to the core) actually admired the Ku Klux Klan, and stated he felt that "Birth of a Nation" (that portrayed the KKK as heroes) was the greatest film made.
The Civil war is history. Time to treat it as such, objectively, as symbolic of anachronistic thinking.
While I was living in Richmond, there was a DJ on a station down there, not from the south, who made a comment on air, LIVE, that Monument Avenue was the street with all the second place trophies running down it. Well, I laughed my dupa off, but people were screaming for his head! He was made to publicly apologize, and nearly lost his job. It was crazy! And my roommate for a few years was in the Daughters of The Confederacy. Her dad was pissed she was living with a Yankee... It was an unusual city, and I'm glad for the experience, but I would never live in Richmond again. It was a very strange place... Dangerous as well.. And they have not, nor do I think they will EVER forget the war of northern aggression... I was of the mind that they needed to get over it, wipe off the hands and move on!
It would have been a lot like getting people to reduce energy use and support energy independence to reduce the threat from the Middle East...yawn. But Climate Change! That is exciting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Fift...
I agree wholeheartedly that the North was not a just on a noble crusade. However, the North-led US Government specifically limited slavery in new territories and states admitted to the Union, and the South specifically referred to these actions in withdrawing. For example, New York wrote laws prohibiting the transport of slave, which stopped wealthy southerners from bringing servants when vacationing in New England. Read the secession letters from South Carolina et al. They clearly refer to the limits on slavery as a reason for their actions.
Look at it a different way. What distinguished the North from the South? Agrarian model extended based on growing season and slavery.
If the South had simply changed their economic model and abolished slavery, they would (like now) have morphed into a version of the model of the North.
Why didn't they change it? Money, based on an economic model of (as I've noted elsewhere today) Milton Friedman's "involuntary servitude". It was wrong. It violates reasonable Objectivist logic, and this money, the money taken from the backs of others, was the basis of secession and the consequent Civil War.
The 3/5 compromise was a measure that was critical to getting the Southern States to adopt the Constitution, but which was passed separately:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Fift...
As you are about to find out the North's hands were far from clean and the Democrats least of all. Starting with the suggestion to re-read the Constitution of the Confederate States in another thread It reminded me of something So the new post with references has to do with that exact situation. Ever wonder which States were the last states to own slaves of the original 13? Or who supported the Jim Crow laws and favored slavery in the new states? Or who did not support ERA?
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The Civil War was caused over representation levels in Congress. The Southern States wanted to promote a contradiction: that slaves were people for the purpose of counting representation in the House of Representatives after a Census, but not people insofar as they had actual rights. The 3/5's compromise was the attempt to try to codify this contradiction, but was really just an unsettled resolution that simmered for decades.
A sidelight of the war was over progress: the Northern States were the primary sources of industry and especially manufacturing while the Southern States were primarily agrarian. The bulk of the economic might of the United States had shifted significantly to the North as a result of this and there was much internal economic pressure being put on the Southern States to abandon slavery in that light - a bias that many there were unwilling to abandon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of...
http://www.historynet.com/causes-of-the-...
http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civi...
Can you point me to more information on the tarriffs issue? My understanding was that tarriffs were put on _incoming_ goods from other nations - not outgoing goods. I appreciate your elaboration.
Want to know the flag I want? I want the dollar sign like the cigarettes in the book Atlas Shrugged (Hey no spoilers, I am ordering the trilogy this week on DVD and have not seen part 3, don't know if that bit made it into the movie).
Nobody offering Dollar Sign (U overstrike S) flags according to Google, maybe I should start making them...
somewhat more subtle than a flag, if you want it to be!
But if I had already made my mark on the world, I would want it to be the modern dollar sign, expertly crafted from the best materials in green on beige, the color of money. Hey, if you mean to say something, go ahead and say it.
Most people would never get this flag (or that it represents something virtuous). It might as well be an inside joke, so to speak.
If anybody does produce the flag, be sure and post a link. I might just buy one, if they don't ban it's sale before I can even click to pay for it... :)
Be sure to get back to me [among others] if she agrees to produce them, with a price.
I'm thinking Red, White And Blue in some arrangement. the US complete or the erased bottom curve of the U to make the dollar sign
One way is to sew on the U and S. The other is to make digital and have it printed.
Right now she's doing triangular pennant 1823 Mexican Naval Flag for the fore straff on power boats. In August or September she'll do some 12 by 18 courtesy flags with the current eagle and snake the old one is sometimes called the Spirit of Guadalupe Flag the one they used when the kicked the French out of Mexico.