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Tests and Tiger Moms - Thomas Sowell - Page 1

Posted by XenokRoy 11 years, 8 months ago to Culture
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Both the title and the article allude to the single biggest problem in our society today with education. Yet a bit disappointing as it does not take on the issue directly. Why so few tiger moms?
SOURCE URL: http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2013/04/10/tests-and-tiger-moms-n1561653

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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 8 months ago
    Hurrah for the “Tiger Moms.” How about some Tiger Dads too?
    Too many have been disengaged in recent decades, happy to let the state indoctrinate, and accept the pat answer of “nothing” when asked, what did you do at school today? Of course we must recognize that many of today’s young parents are products of the same institutions…
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago
    what good is a tiger mom if she teaches her children to fit in and vote democrat? statistics show that American Asians do. You can be the most brilliant engineer in the world-but if you don't think for yourself and are a conformist, how brilliant are you really?
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    • Posted by XenokRoy 11 years, 8 months ago
      I have no idea what Asian moms teach other than they do focus on education.

      If any mom/dad are not also tigers on teaching proper philosophy to there children so they do not become the property of the state handing over there mind as well as there body they are doing them a disservice. This would not lower the value of the education they do drive them to receive, it simply makes it incomplete.

      I do agree that an incomplete education is worth far less than a complete one. philosophy with central value of self ownership and property ownership (ie freedom) should be fundamental to education.

      This article however is looking at race as a differentiators and simply making the case that it is not so much race as it is the habits of the race that make the difference.
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      • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago
        yes, and I concur with what is said. I was just taking it to the next important level. if you do all that is necessary to get into a top college but you have been raised to perform well in our current US system? how smart are you really? we need students to think independently. for a hoot, go check out ARI's internship link. they get top interns from all the best schools who have not yet been exposed to Ayn Rand. I say give me a 21 year old who deferred college and worked, built a business, was not part of the indoctrination. ah well, The ARI is east coast elitist. they can't help themselves falling over over US educated little elitists
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        • Posted by iroseland 11 years, 8 months ago
          I think they get the interns they do from where they get them because. A 21 year old who has skipped school and started their own business would be difficult to attract to an internship. They just need to be handed a copys of the books and will probably do a very good job of taking care of the rest on their own. There are however plenty of 21 year olds who for one reason or another have passed on college and might be working out in the real world for someone else. ARI might need to consider finding them and offering up internships to those kinds of folks. I work in technology, with a lot of programmers.. So far I have noticed that the ones who didn't go to the University tend to be far better at the job, and need a lot less hand holding and are way better at asking the tough questions then going out and finding the answers. The good college programmers tend to come from anywhere but the CompSci department. I have known 3 that started out in philosophy. Ohh, and two of them are objectivists..
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          • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago
            you have a point, but I find such think tanks like to be filled with college elites. And their programs show that bias. There are many college aged Hanks and Dagneys out there who have never heard of Ayn Rand. It would be smart to attract their interest.
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          • Posted by XenokRoy 11 years, 8 months ago
            I also work in the technology sector and have noticed the same thing. You have many programmers that have not done the college thing (other than to take a class here or there to acquire specific knowledge) that have been the best I have worked with.

            I have noticed in some cases a college graduate who was very good. To date as I have talked to them they learned to code, got a job and went back and received the degree later. The asses that screw up a place are usually the ones that went to college and learned to be a robot rather than think critically.

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            • Posted by iroseland 11 years, 8 months ago
              When I was enrolled at the University, my declared major was Comp Sci. I mostly used my time at the University to indulge my other interests. So, I studied lots of German ( easy A's ) took some comp lit classes focusing on Easter European 19th Century Literature, and got in fights with the Philosophy department folks. Then there was the programming.. They graded on curves, which I loved.. The Assembly class was well known for being the meat grinder that most folks took twice, and even more used to learn that programming was not their place. But, the program was still loaded with folks who were taking comp sci because their parents told them to.. Not because like me they had been programming since they were 10. So, I managed to get death threats in Assembly because I was good at getting 100 on the weekly tests, and always did the extra credit because it was nice to have something to do. A year later me and anyone on campus that was worth anything left school to get a real education ramping up the .com boom.. I have noticed that since the .com boom most comp sci programs dont teach much of the hard stuff, like data modeling, or system programming. Now, they just teach Java or .NET and claim to have made a programmer. Back in the day, you needed to really be willing to think and use logic to solve problems that were a bit harder than getting a button to appear on a html page. Recently I have been seeing the worst of the worst.. Oracle ERP "programmers" their primary skill is clicking on things, and when they run into a problem they know how to call Oracle, or know of another expensive add-on that can do the job poorly. They wanted to blow some serious cash on a product to pull postgres data from the pick and place machines and populate oracle tables. I wrote a perl script to do the same thing for a heck of a lot less money.
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              • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago
                when comp sci started it was very close to the math dept and engineering.
                now it's all about "cool" and churning them out.
                the typical programmer today doesn't even know that what a program does is wire an electronic circuit.
                and don't get me started on how they don't respect intellectual property
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                • Posted by iroseland 11 years, 8 months ago
                  When I was working at Midway Games they were really suffering from that. They needed to hire game engine devs, who needed to be really well rounded programmers who had a solid understanding of physics, and could get down to the assembler level. It was difficult for them to find programmers operating at that level... Especially recent grads, who couldn't even program in C .. I have had lots of kids ask me over the years about getting into the gaming industry. Their parents usually roll their eyes, until come back with, learn math, physics and real programming.
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