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    Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 6 months ago
    We can't. Not as long as there are people who crave power over others. Conflict is not caused by cultural differences. Those differences are used to manipulate and cause conflict, whereby certain individuals gain power and control.
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    • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 6 months ago
      Well said, conflict only occurs when one person or group of people attempt to use force against others, most often to gain power.

      Once one side ops for force you have two choices. Attempt to have rational negotiations with someone who has shown their rational is all about power, or retaliate with equal or grater force to eliminate the threat.

      This question is indicative of the day we live in. It is in essence asking, what shades of freedom are willing to loose in order to keep from having to stoop to violence.

      When Marquis de Lafayette said "When the government violates the people's rights, insurrection is, for the people and for each portion of the people, the most sacred of the rights and the most indispensible of duties." it was a profound statement.

      This sacred right and indispensable duty is disposed of when a question such as this is asked. If force is used against a people they have a right and duty to remove that force.
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    • Posted by ewv 9 years, 6 months ago
      It depends on the culture. A culture and a government that do not respect the rights of individuals within a country will not respect the rights of their neighbors. See Ayn Rand's essay The Roots of War in Capitalism the Unknown Ideal.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 6 months ago
    I'll take a shot at an answer, but I'm by no means an expert. People more versed in this than I am, feel free to jump in and correct my errors. Lets call this part 1 to my answer, since the posts have limits.


    Peaceful conflict resolution is going to require fundamental changes in world philosophy and morality derived from philosophy.


    Most societies and cultures and their underlying philosophies in our world claim to promote the individual. At the same time holding sacrifice for others as the highest virtue. A fundamental contradiction that cannot be resolved since they are in opposition and only one of the two can have primacy.

    If history shows us anything, it shows us that sacrifice to others, in the person of the state rather than individuals, has controlled. The only real difference between most societies has been in how the state was controlled. We have or have had, Monarchy, Democracy, Republic, Totalitarianism, Communism, Socialism, Democratic Republics, etc. You get the picture, almost anything we can think of has been tried at some point.

    A primary failing of every society, including ours sadly enough, is in protection of individual rights. Of particular significance fundamentally are property rights. Why focus on property rights? Because of all other rights this is the one that can be measured and quantified fairly easily.

    Consider this:
    If states or individuals do not respect your property rights, why would they respect any other of your rights as an individual??
    They won't, as history has also shown, over and over and over. Every war you research has had economic causes at base. Always over property and rights to it in some form. To end conflict, the drivers for conflict have to be stopped.

    Let me give two examples:
    The crusades to the middle east, all of them. If you go through the historical record there is a single drumbeat underlying all of them. Land and income for younger sons of nobility. Under common law throughout Europe at the time, and upheld by the Church, was that property inheritance passed down to the eldest son exclusively. Beyond that initial grant the inheritor could distribute to siblings. Most distributions from the new noble were to buy their brother(s) as spot in the church to take them out of line of succession. That way they no longer had motive to remove their elder sibling.

    Or on a smaller scale, and current. Look at the rioting and looting in Baltimore. Did looting stores have anything to do with the incident that sparked the riot? Nope, but the Mayor ordered the police to back off and allow the looting. I don't know about you, but I would sell any property I had and leave. When the local government gives random thugs more right to your property than you have, you have no protections at all.

    Objectivism addresses this at a fundamental level by resolving the contradiction of individual Vs sacrifice. Sacrifice of yourself is not a virtue, it is the opposite of virtue. Evil makes a good word for it if we can agree to use the word independent of Theism.

    So at a fundamental level individual rights have to be the base upon which society rests.

    After all the reverse of giving is taking, and if you don't give enough the state comes in to take. States protect rights on a limited basis, even in America.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 6 months ago
      With regards to the Crusades, you didn't do enough homework. The majority of those incursions were to beat back the Islamic invaders before they threatened Europe. It was deemed strategically more sound to hit them in a cultural and military soft spot to force them to focus their efforts there rather than invade Europe. Vienna was one of the main players in rounding up regional support for these efforts because they saw the fleets of invaders waiting to come sack them.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago
      How about secularism as an authorized state religion with a new deity chosen every four years?

      And use all small letters.

      Then we can say lesser of one evil.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 6 months ago
        Uh, that's exactly what the liberals want and it's a very bad idea. Where do you think the cult of global warming comes from? The cult of environmentalists? They come from the government's establishment of a single religion - the religion of power. I could say the same about gun control and the welfare state.

        What you are talking about is nothing short of tyranny. It's certainly what the leftists want, but its establishment would take away rights - not protect them.
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      • Posted by AMeador1 9 years, 6 months ago
        A secularist government would be great. But whoever is elected every 4 years would inherently not be a deity.
        The concern would be weather society at that point adopt a Kantian type of philosophy vs. a Randian philosophy. So long as it is a Randian philosophy based on rational thinking, self interest, acknowledging reality, individualism ,etc... Then let's go!
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        • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 6 months ago
          Depends on the secularism. The Green movement is considered secular. Although looking at their zealotry, it appears more a religion than secular.
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          • Posted by AMeador1 9 years, 6 months ago
            Exactly! I think we are moving more to a secular system now - the only problem is that I think it is a Kantian based secularism - moral relativism, reality considered a falsehood and whatever you personally decide it is - rationality be damned.

            I wish we could get an Objectivist secularism movement going in the schools as opposed to what we have now. What we have now is secularism moving towards mystics of muscle as opposed to mystics of the mind - when with all the strides made in the sciences - we should be moving in a directly of rational reason.

            The Progressive movement has been at work to stop this for a long time though... :(
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago
          Only if you are thinking monotheistic. I don't know of any politician who is cast in that mold.
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          • Posted by AMeador1 9 years, 6 months ago
            I am thinking anti-theistic. I am thinking Objectivist - this is the "Gulch" - which is not ok with any religion - whether theist or philosophical in nature. A non-religion (secularism) is not a religion. The idea is not to blindly follow anyone - whether that be a religion based on theistic ideas or a philosophic system that says not to think or accept reality and that anything goes. I think there are some politicians that are very near that - but as soon as they say so - the lemming masses of "believers" on both sides would attack them.
            In any case, politicians do resemble the electorate - it is the people who are voting them in. The problem is to teach reality, analytical thinking, etc... This needs to happen in the schools so we have a generation or two of real thinkers/learners vs the results we are currently getting from the Kantian secularists that currently have control over the education system.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 9 years, 6 months ago
    It's not going to happen ever. Not when you have religion involve like we see in the world today. The Supreme Court just created one today with the gay marriage ruling. They're probably activist in this minority group who try to destroy christianity by taking it to the Roman Catholic Church and various other Christian Churches that don't recognize this form of marriage. This is not a rational decision by the SCOTUS.
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 9 years, 6 months ago
    Sadly, Puzzlelady, your desire for peaceful resolution of conflict took another blow today in France. When one side holds as a core belief that there can be no peace until they control the entire planet, dealing peacefully with each other (as "traders" to use AR's term) takes a distant back seat. It saddens me greatly, that there are people in the world who voluntarily choose to turn off the "logic circuits" in their brains. When they resort to violence, it angers me as well.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 6 months ago
    puzzlelady, you have asked the most intriguing
    question -- world peace. . my answer is simple.
    strength. . the world is peaceful around my house
    because we are strong and show it. . we need not
    be the world's policePerson if we lead by strength
    and tolerance of everyone's uniqueness. . R E S P E C T
    for others, with INtolerance for violence. . we should
    stop people like Putin and Khameini (Iran) by refusing
    to allow them into ANY monetary interactions while
    they are acting up. . freeze them out. . grow our
    economy with laissez-faire capitalism and use the
    resultant strength to influence others against violence
    and international encroachment. . IMHO. -- j
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 6 months ago
    Conflict between nations could be eliminated by having one nation conquer the rest, but it wouldn't be an improvement.

    We need to return to the era when individuals were better armed than the government. That's the only way anyone will ever escape tyranny. (And today that means moving outside any of the areas the big nations own or are fighting for, at least until we're big enough to defy them.)

    Conflict among individuals is human nature and unavoidable. And no society bigger than a small tribe (say, 150 people) can expect to do without an active police force for any length of time.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago
      "Human nature"? "Unavoidable"? I have to disagree. That belief verges on nihilism, fatalism and determinism.

      Rand observed that there is no conflict of interest between rational men. And that man has the power of reason. And, further, that consciousness has volition. Reason and volition are what can overcome "human nature", which is the built-in animal-level (pre-human) system of functioning. That applies to all humans, including those whom we have entrenched as millennia-long enemies. All humans have the same self-interest: to live, survive, prosper. The question becomes: how can we achieve that without mutual destruction; how can we reach that point of interaction where there is no conflict of interest, where thinking can transform or redirect feelings into rational action?
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      • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 5 months ago
        Rational action is great when it works, but you simply can't count on anybody staying that way. Scratch any person and you'll find an animal, with a thin veneer of reason on top at best.

        And even between two "perfect" objectivists or libertarians, there are conflicts of interest, because being a "perfect" [either] doesn't mean you see everything exactly the same way as another "perfect" [either].
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        • Posted by ewv 9 years, 5 months ago
          Speak for yourself on what you claim to find when you "scratch andy person" and the claim of a supposed innate sub-reason animal essence beneath a mere "veneer of reason" by nature.

          "Conflict of interest" as described by Ayn Rand does not mean that people don't have different goals or ideas on how to attain them. It has nothing to do with an intrinsicist notion of "perfect".

          The principle is explained her essay The "Conflicts" of Men's Interests
          in the Virtue of Selfishness. A-philosophical libertarian subjectivists can't help.
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      • Posted by ewv 9 years, 6 months ago
        You are right that violent conflict is not determined and unavoidable as "human nature". Government and police with objective law is necessary to know what is not permitted and to enforce the rights of the individual as an implementation and specification of general principles of rights -- not because people will "innately" be violent. The form of implementation is optional to some degree, but must be justified and objectively specified no matter how reasonable people are. But such a system can only exist if you already have a rational culture, even though some minority of people would choose to stray from it. It has nothing to do with innate tendencies and tribal size of 150 or anything else.

        The necessity of government at all in a rational society is a different question than the conflicts you are talking about: "no bombs, no drones, no massacres, no torture -- despite cultural differences among nations and individuals". That depends on having a culture of reason and individualism regardless of differences in details between societies and governments. Without that there can be no peace because the statists, collectivists and anarchists of various kinds will not allow it. Being reasonable and peaceful does not restrain those who are not. See Ayn Rand's essay The Roots of War in her book Capitalism the Unknown Ideal.

        Having a rational culture at all is dependent on a generally understood philosophy of reason properly formulated. Without that people don't know enough to make the proper choices, let alone how to judge individual choices and actions. The Enlightenment with its emphasis on reason and individualism was a strong and necessary start but not enough. See Leonard Peikoff's books The Ominous Parallels and Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand, i.e., Ayn Rand's philosophy in general. There are many basic philosophical questions that must be formulated and answered. There is much more to it than simply saying don't violate people's rights.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 9 years, 6 months ago
    We can't because we're human. Adam and Eve couldn't get it right...I have no reason to believe that the rest of us ever could.

    Even if there were only 2 people left on Earth, one of them would, eventually, assume the role of the superior. Oh, sure, we would make a valiant attempt at maintaining "equality", but human nature would take over, in time. When desperate enough, your mind will tend to convince you that any action is justified.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 6 months ago
    You hit on the answer in your headline...one individual at a time. You can not resolve pagan cultural conflicts, idiot-non-logical conflicts nor mystical conflicts with broad sweeping diplomacy!
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 6 months ago
    Peaceful conflict resolution rests on a philosophical basis of respecting human rights. Ayn Rand was right in so many ways. Human beings today are so far from a group that actually decides what to do based on thinking rather than "feeling" that peaceful conflict resolution is a far out dream. I would be lucky to peacefully live in close proximity to neighbors at this point !! Forget about nations cooperating peacefully.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 6 months ago
    We can't. That is, not in the case of regimes which
    have no respect for individual rights,and attack us,
    or attack our important allies, such as Great Brit-
    ain or Israel. We just have to be prepared to de-
    feat them in war.--Now, in the case of not being at war with such a nation (as yet), perhaps we
    could propagandize Objectivism, in the form of
    letter bombs dropped there, written in their own
    language. But don't expect any quick success.
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  • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 6 months ago
    There hasn't been an adequate level of punishment against those who initiate violence; therefore, we get more of it. For example, if ISIS is ever defeated, the ISIS soldiers will probably be allowed to return home. No punishment to fit the obvious crimes they're guilty of. An appropriate punishment for them would be to take no prisoners at all. Kill every one of them for their obvious wickedness. That's the only deterrent, and if that doesn't work, then arm up, because there is no cure.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 6 months ago
    You seem to have the misconception that peaceful conflict resolution is achievable by one party. If one of the participants in a conflict intends to use force, then the other has to concede or find another way to force a dialogue. Economic weapons can be effective, but only with the cooperation of other nation-states. Our own State Department has undermined the sanctions imposed on Iran by granting exemptions to various parties to conduct business as usual with Iran.

    The United States is unique as a superpower in its ability to even consider non-violent means of resolving conflict, primarily because it has the ability to exercise extreme violence if all else fails. States like Liechtenstein have no recourse but to concede against force, being too small to oppose even slightly larger states. For a range of nation states, against a similar-sized opponent, non-violent solutions are possible, but violent means of defense remain as a requirement if other solutions are to remain credible.

    Peaceful conflict resolution is only possible if both parties are willing to consider non-violent solutions.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 6 months ago
    Allow people to separate into groups of like-minded individuals working toward a common goal.
    Separate out those irrational individuals whose epistemology is that of a win/lose nature where the individual causes loss and conflict between others to gain.
    Mind your own business and make education and entlightenment tantamount and ubiquitous.
    Cull out the lazy and those prone to following the herd.
    Reward achievement. Punish those who are destructive. Don't confuse the two.
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    • Posted by IndianaGary 9 years, 6 months ago
      Some here seem to think 'cull' implies force. I think of it as ostracizing or shunning the lazy and other forms of sheep. Let them wallow in their own excrement until they expire or see the light and become parasites no more.
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    • Posted by AMeador1 9 years, 6 months ago
      We wouldn't have to cull out the lazy - as that would entail us having to use force against them. They would inherently cull themselves so long as the rest of society would refuse to reward their laziness by redistributing someone else's stuff to them.
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  • Posted by helidrvr 9 years, 6 months ago
    Among individuals there will always be conflicts, some more peacefully resolved than others, but in practical terms none will have much impact on anyone other than those immediately involved.

    The elites operating under color of nation states on the other hand are by their very nature violent and aggressive. The conflicts over political or territorial power between them also tend to effect countless numbers of people who have no part in their disputes. The only way to end that kind of violent conflict is to delegitimize the concept of nation states itself.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 6 months ago
    You are asking if there is a way to control the human mind. The answer is plain: not while maintaining liberty.

    If all men were 100% logical and abstained from seeking power, you could see a world without significant cultural issues, governmental differences, or even differences of religions. Since that has never existed from the dawn of man and doesn't look to get any better as the human population increases, I can only logically deduce that unless there is some massive and incontrovertible external force to change our direction, the dream of peace is so far from reality as to render it under the heading "pure speculation".
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 9 years, 6 months ago
    A culture's values will determine a culture's success or failure. The values elucidated in the Declaration of Independence are being replaced by claims of "inequality exists; therefore we demand equality in wealth, status, achievement, happiness, property, etc. and we will sacrifice any individual to reach equality," Valuing individual rights and responsibilities denies the "reasons" to sacrifice the individual to collectivism ... and looters and moochers can't stand that.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 6 months ago
    There is just no way. The human race is socially still in its infancy. Some 2 year olds are easier to teach manners to than other 2 year olds. Eventually, as they grow older, they mature and learn to get along with one another. But even then, there are always some who never learn. Hopefully, as humanity matures it will learn to get along with itself. If not, no matter what wonders science produces, there will always be those who want power over others causing death and destruction. That is why a strong country dedicated to the freedom of the individual must set an example for the rest of the world to follow. Once that was the USA. If it cannot become that "shining city on a hill" again, then look elsewhere for leadership like China which is changing away from a totalitarian state into a looser, freer state. Still collectivist, but then-- who knows?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago
    Only needs inventing a way to change basic human nature. The result so far would seem to indicate choosing Morlocks or Iloi.

    But let's try out. Those of us who wasted our time and lives supposedly protecting those sentiments only to find we had wasted the effort on those not worth the effort will be more than glad to stand back and watch the outcome.

    For one thing don't call us when they come for you. Nö More Cannon Fodder!

    But not to leave you clueless and solutionless you could try doing your job as responsible citizens before you start yammering about rights. Just a thought before you vote for the next warlord.
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    • Posted by DeanStriker 9 years, 6 months ago
      The root of the problem stems from allowing others to designate oneself as a "Citizen", thereby denying his very Right to Life!
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago
        No problem your right. Your responsibility. Your life. Your responsibility. I willingly dub thee - alone.
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        • Posted by DeanStriker 9 years, 6 months ago
          Not exactly alone as I too have allies in my personal Gulch, altho likely not enough to make much difference in this insane world.
          So how do thee dub thyself?
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago
            Constitutionalist once I regained the privilege. ExPat and still looking out for my troops on active duty. Trying to make some sense out of it all and when I do not much liking what I find. I've yet to find an issue that is rocket science though some may not like the KISS answer it serves to give everyone what the need and no one what they want. But it does establish a common ground and from that comes a power base and from that comes conversation about the lesser important things without losing hold on the sacred ground of any issue. I'm a strong supporter of citizens, family, country and government as employees.

            Here's one thought. It's said you need someone who knows how to push the buttons? Whose buttons? Why? if it's that difficult just make a change. Why not? Money. They don't deserve propina. They aren't worth the mordida. If you had one fourth or one third sitting in the Capitol Building saying screw you I'm not voting until I've read this thing.

            But? Too many afraid of the economic backlash of a government on the take.

            As for Gucci Gulch? Don't give them an appointment.

            The real problem is decent people don't become politicians. So all the dregs gravitate to their lowest common denominator.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 6 months ago
    I sometimes thing, and this is dreaming as I don't see how to work out the obvious much less hidden kinks, that..
    1) all government limited ONLY to protecting legitimate rights.
    2) all initiation of force in all forms strictly forbidden
    3) perfect surveillance nipping any and all initiation of force, even by government, in the bud.

    (3) is for better or worse almost inevitable as technology improves in any case. It isn't very survivable without the other two.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 6 months ago
    I think we've been trying one way or the other since the dawn of our kind on the planet, without much luck. I think it boils down to who has and who doesn't along with just plain old status and power achievement. Then once it's obtained, another conflict arises in order to hang on to whatever.

    I'm firmly convinced that our species is hard wired towards getting things and not sharing unless we see an advantage in doing so. Inherent in even Objectivism is the right of self defense of self and private property.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 6 months ago
    Torture is illegal by international law and any thugs in US or other governments that condone its use should be removed from office and punished severely.

    We can stop glamorizing and sanitizing massive use of force where there is nothing real to gain. That would help quite a bit. But more importantly we need enough people that stand up for real inalienable based in reality rights and hold their own and all governments and groups accountable only when and as they violate them.

    I have no quarrel with a complete idiot or even an extremely evil person as long as they have no ability to initiate force against me. I wouldn't have anything to do with them but I am not going to lose sleep that they exist.
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    • Posted by AMeador1 9 years, 6 months ago
      I don't think it is possible to eliminate the ability of someone to initiate force against someone. That is a matter of their philosophy/education/metal state/etc... Unless they are locked in an inescapable bubble - they will always have the ability to initiate force.
      That's the essence or the anti-gun argument. The guns are not to problem - it's the person using it. And if you take their gun, they can use a knife or a bomb - or a rock, or a club, or any practically unlimited number of other ways to initiate force.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago
        I like that answer. Pragmatic Useful no waffling.

        Throughout history there has been one way to forestall the need for use of force. Exhibit the ability and the will to make initiation too expensive.

        We former and present military are the ability. too bad there is no will. So? You get what you ask for. This time it was 12 years of non stop warfare. Now we pause for some legacy building for the current wartime President and await our orders for the next go round.No need to initiate anything. That's the job of the elected officials and the citizens whose responsibility it is to select them.

        We don't enjoy the privilege of saying no except at the ballot box where we are vastly outnumbered.

        No ability - no will - it's human nature in the genes in the DNA in the culture just are video and computer games featuring lots of blood.

        What purpose do we serve? That's not our choice but it seems providing ideas for hollywood productions tops the legitimate list.

        Hey AM? how about saturday morning cartoons as a force multiplier? Gotta start the training young!
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        • Posted by AMeador1 9 years, 6 months ago
          Yep, I agree - "exhibit the ability and the will to make initiation too expensive". It's too bad we don't have that will anymore. As we are currently operating (too many people and definitely the government) we are practically inviting trouble (like from ISIS and such) because they are not afraid of the cost of initiation on their part - partly because they are not afraid to kill themselves and largely because they know we'll give them little "cost" I for initiating - if any.
          I believe Ayn Rand was is favor of the government having a strong military for this exact purpose - to deter initiation from outside sources, but internally for minimal Federal Government - other than to enforce and uphold our rational natural rights.
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