11

Travel broadens your mind.

Posted by coaldigger 9 years, 5 months ago to Culture
18 comments | Share | Best of... | Flag

I recently rented a flat just off of Campo de Fiori for a few days and there was a statue of a man. When I inquired who that may be, I was told he was Giordano Bruno. It seems that in 1600 he disagreed with the pope on scientific principles, for which he was burned at the stake for heresy. I have now learned from the Pope that the number fudging, mankind hating, government funded scientist-parasites are correct and we are causing dangerous global warming and half of us need to die to balance nature.
I have gone through security in the USA, Germany and Italy twice each. The industrial, financial capital of the world inflicts maximum pain and frustration on their citizens and can’t find my baggage much less a terrorist. While waiting for one final bag at Dulles, an agent with a bomb sniffing dog was walking around the conveyor, sniffing their carry-ons (this was behind gates at arrivals, not departures). Part of our party had their bags and they were sitting on a bench. The agent looked at them but they were across the room and in an inconvenient spot so the agent turned away dragging the little dog. The dog got very upset and would not budge until she let it cross over and sniff those bags too. Imagine how important it is to have such security when its integrity has to be upheld by a Beagle!
Italy is bankrupt, their people are unemployed, everyone is dependent on government services. I know this because I read it in the Washington Post. Italy has an income tax that I was told is 46%, but from what I could tell, no one pays it unless someone comes to their house and takes something by force (realizing that the enforcers don’t pay either). Everyone laughs at the government and the lawmakers that get into fist fights over new bills. I saw some beggars but they were gypsies or refugees from Africa. Most people I saw have “secret” 9 to 5 jobs, wear nice clothes and buzz around in small cars burning gas that costs 3.14 Euros per liter. They smile, laugh, talk excitedly and wave their arms while most Americans are scowling, gritting their teeth and cursing.
In Italy, politicians are viewed as a burden that you have to tolerate as a tradition and no one expects any positive results. You vote for your brother’s son-in-law because he in no good for anything else and it will get him out of your sight. In America we are hanging on every word for what they are going to “give” us when elected. I don’t like their system but, sadly, if we both proceed on our current paths, I can see their lives remaining the same after ours lie in ruins.


Add Comment

FORMATTING HELP

All Comments Hide marked as read Mark all as read

  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 5 months ago
    Ok, coaldigger, tell me how to not pay taxes and I will be smiling and laughing, too!
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago
      Cheat. At some effective tax rate everyone will cheat. Even the tax collectors will cheat (how many IRS employees were recently called out because they were not paying their taxes?) Our complex tax code is a smoke screen for allowing special people to legally cheat which keeps them from undermining the system. "Tax reform" is a joke and any attempt at it is just shifting the burden around to mollify some and mildly irritate a new group for a while. In Italy, they have broken through the barrier of belief in government and it's value. They have only been a nation since 1861 and a democracy post WW II. Florentines sending their money to Rome is not considered to be a strong obligation.
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
      • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 5 months ago
        I don't consider taxes to be an obligation at at all, but I have no desire to lose everything I have worked for and go to jail. Enforcement is obviously much stronger here than in Italy"
        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
        • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago
          Of course but raise the effective rate to 46% and they will have to jail all of us, including the jailers. We will adopt a "tribute" system where you don't pay but negotiate an amount to settle with a fellow cheater. It is silly but what to hell, it is government.
          Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
          • Comment hidden by post owner or admin, or due to low comment or member score. View Comment
          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago
            I'm old enough to remember the top rate was 95% but exemptions were for sale. 46% of course is just part of it. State taxes and all the other taxes are still to be added. Direct, indirect, embedded, disguised, enhanced and value subtracted. Hardly worth working. Vote Government Party! Four choices Same Candidate!
            Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 5 months ago
    Sounds like Italy is practicing peaceful, 'Civil Disobedience'; something recently suggested here in the states...guess it works...for them anyway.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago
      I just heard a discussion about the problems in Greece and they stated that all of the Mediterranean countries have a poor voluntary participation rate for payment of income tax. I do not understand how a government can continue if the citizens don't pay taxes AND they do not control their currency. Even with sheep-like taxpayers in the US, how could Washington exist if it couldn't just print up some more of those paper dollars? Italy, Greece, Spain and Portugal may end up in a better place than we do in the long run. Their debts are smaller and due now, ours are huge and deferred.
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 5 months ago
    Bruno was burned at the stake, for a variety of heresies, but one was disagreeing on heliocentrism. Before he was burned, the "church" drove a spike through his tongue and palate to keep him from poisoning any others with his blasphemies.

    Italy is definitely screwed up. I like to talk with cab drivers. Last time I was there, one told me about a building outside Rome, built by Mussolini. It got me thinking, so I asked what most people in Italy thought of Mussolini. She responded, "Oh he was a hero". I had to follow up with my Italian buddy from our company. He said, Italy can't really face up to Mussolini's issues, and pride keeps them from speaking badly about a famous Italian.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 5 months ago
    I spent two years in the Mediterranean, mostly in the countries of Greece and Cyprus way back in the mid-1990's (before they became part of the EU). I met people there from a huge variety of countries, including most of Europe as well as parts of Africa and the Middle East. There were also many refugees (from Iran, Eritrea, Sierra Leone, Iraq, Albania, Armenia, etc.) and they were just desperate to escape the crushing poverty and egregious civil rights violations of those nations.

    A couple of things I took away from it:
    America is unique and unusual. It is outstanding: truly a beacon of freedom in both economics and thought. We should in no way take this amazing country for granted and the best way to understand how good we really have it is to travel abroad.
    Many people in the world are so indoctrinated by culture and religion that there are very few who are actually willing to think for themselves. I could tell you horror stories from an Iranian family trying to escape that nation - and that was 20 years ago.
    Don't judge a person by their nationality or their circumstances. I met an Armenian Chess Grand Master who held a doctorate in Theoretical Laser Physics from a prestigious Russian University who was reduced to working fast food in Cyprus.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by jimjamesjames 9 years, 5 months ago
    Len Deighton, travel editor for Playboy in the 1960s, said something to the effect: "Travel does not broaden your mind; it simply confirms your prejudices." When I bummed around the world in '67-'68, 22 countries, my travels did both.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 5 months ago
    Bankrupt Government.
    Has a nice ring to it assuming its due to a dearth of tax collected, not an abundance of dictatorial and mommy-state dependency expenses.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 5 months ago
      We asked for it. We keep electing the jerks who promise the most. I've never heard anyone ask, "how are you going to deliver all that?!?" These folks know NOTHING about how to run a lemonade stand, but we think that they can run our healthcare, our businesses, our very lives. They start out "soaking the rich," and end up embedded in our wallets like a tick, and we wonder what happened, for the 100th time. Until we truly believe (and act on) the pledge, "I swear, by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine," things will not change, and we should just shut up, grab our ankles and smile.
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
      • Posted by gerstj 9 years, 5 months ago
        Obama voters believe it is from his "stash" or rich people who got that way from stealing from the poor (even though many of them never worked to start with). The allure of Free Stuff is a proven vote winner, particularly with our schools turning out millions of citizens who have no analytical skills.
        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  

FORMATTING HELP

  • Comment hidden. Undo