which drugs should be legal?

Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 4 months ago to News
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this tragedy may have been made more likely by
illegal drug use;;; what does this say about the
libertarian view of drug legality??? -- j
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SOURCE URL: http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/was-charleston-shooter-on-powerful-mind-altering-drug/


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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 4 months ago
    All of them. It is up to adult individuals to decide what to consume or not consume and only up to them. The only place for law in this is fraud and breach of contract. People are responsible for their own actions whether they have taken this drug or had a few drinks or not.

    It is completely simple and nothing else is compatible with individual rights and liberty.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 4 months ago
    The real question is that of education. Less than 1 person in 10,000 understands the basic reactions of any given drug enough to even suggest its use for another person, and even at that there are individual blood chemistry issues, etc., that mean that no drug - whether it is currently OTC or prescription - is a guarantee. So people who self-diagnose and self-proscribe are more likely than not by that same ratio to make poor decisions in that regard. On the other hand, seeing a doctor about every little thing is probably a bit absurd, too, so making everything a prescription drug is probably a little paranoid in that direction.

    So maybe what people need (to avoid government interference) is simply a list of all drugs and their primary, secondary, and side-effects listed with a percentage of the people (and population size to present a good picture) affected by that effect. If you've got a background in pharmacology, I'm sure that you could classify and categorize similar drugs so that the site could suggest drugs for specific sets of symptoms or diagnoses based on the various risks of those effects and their severity. If you're truly entrepreneurial, maybe you could then tie that in to spot prices at local pharmacies for those drugs. I think the ones we have to be especially careful of (besides the obvious poisons) are the mind-altering drugs, however. Any drug which has a significant potential to affect reasoning should throw up huge red flags to the user. Another red flag should go up for any potentially addictive drug. And if both those flags go up, people should require a doctor's signature to obtain those drugs where the _doctor_ then becomes partially liable (legally) for the behavior of that individual while partaking of that substance.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
      I fear that most people just don't live life like that --
      researching their choices responsibly. . if they did,
      we would be a hell of a lot better off !!! -- j
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      • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 4 months ago
        And that's why certain drugs are illegal - because of the individual's refusal to take responsibility for their own choices regardless of the consequences to others.

        Until people are willing to accept responsibility for their actions, the notion of decriminalizing drugs is not only a pipe dream, its a disaster waiting to happen and why I can't support it.
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  • Posted by $ minniepuck 9 years, 4 months ago
    Is there one libertarian view of drug legality? I've met some that want all drugs to be legal, but others that only push marijuana.
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 4 months ago
      I want all drugs to be legal. If you assume these deaths are related to drug use, then it's unfortunate but are you going to ban alcohol again because some people commit heinous acts under the influence of alcohol.

      Week in and week out the illegal drug trade is responsible for many more deaths on a regular basis.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago
    What is the current view of Libertarians on drug legality? I'm more focused on their views of citizens controlling government rather than the left wing socialist fascist version of government controlling citizens.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 4 months ago
    Prescription meds, from what I understand, are usually being taken by people who go on shooting sprees. Is that causation? No. Coincidence? Probably not. Chicken or the egg... I don't remember all of these types of incidences back in the 70s. Do you?
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago
      correction 70's was the flower power decade with Vietnam ending in 1975 and LSD available on every street corner in San Francisco

      70's had DDT until Rachel Carson's book Silent Spring turned her into a greater mass murderer than Lyndon Johnson.

      Cell phones, internet and personal computers were the main difference followed by UPS and Fedex - Amazon.com and world wide dropship marketing.

      the national debt was 300 billion not 18 trillion.

      It was also when the baby killers were protesting returning veterans instead of offing the little tykes themselves using late term abortion.

      The antiwar crowd ALMOST got rid of the draft then for whatever reason quit.

      Hamburgers were still 25 cents.

      A new car was two thousand dollars or less.

      One could buy a house on a fair size lot for under $20,000

      Not much difference from today really. Just same old same old dressed in different clothes.

      We had Nixon now we have Obama.

      Of course my perspective starts in the 50's.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 4 months ago
      Lots of things were different in the 70s.
      No cell phones.
      No personal computers.
      Lots lower population (less crowding, less traffic, maybe less stress)
      No chemtrails.
      No GMO foods.
      No cable TV.
      No internet.
      70s had DDT.
      70s had climate change (global cooling then ;^)
      Coca Cola had sugar in it, not corn syrup.
      Too many variables and not enough scientific method testing. ;^)
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 4 months ago
    Want to eliminate all these apparently random acts of violence?
    Give everyone free pot and munchies.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago
      TANSTAAFL and that includes P.

      At $300 an ounce it's hardly free and we haven't added federal tax yet?

      Same for twinkies and dingdongs. they all got elected to congress. That costs A LOT!
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      • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 4 months ago
        Sorry I forgot the (sarcasm) at the end.
        But
        Making pot legal would drop the price to compete with liquor imo, not free but very affordable.
        Munchies will probably skyrocket in production to respond to demand, and price settle about where it is now after the period of adjustment.
        All taxes on them should be local, none federal.
        Make the feds work to earn anything they need to spend. Provide a service that I want to buy, dammit, otherwise shut up and go away.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago
          three years ago in California the price at the medical marijuana establishments was $300 an ounce and liquor wasn't especially cheap. In Oregon the same with a carton of cigarettes topping $50 in Washington State. However in the legal to grow and prescribe states the black market in pot was running full tilt and priced less than the legal variety. not much less but less. Sometime it was the very same growop. Hard to miss if one was really looking.Colorado became a target when they added a tax on the authorized growers sales.
          The point is nothing is free.Unless of course Obama issues an annual unearned income check to match the money in the current version. The one the taxpayers pay for while the moochers get a free ride. The concept is not limited to chevvies and beefsteak nor free housing. Nor is it a question of lower or higher pricing. Economics is economics. TANSTAAFToke. Someone, somewhere had to pony up the funds for someone else. For what is immaterial.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 4 months ago
            My definition of L-E-G-A-L is a lot different from the Emperor of Racism. Legal to me is like homebrewing and means anyone can grow enough for their own use regardless of how they use it. Easy cheap legal purchase of seeds, and growing accessories in homegrow stores. No restrictions to medicinal use, no tax on home grown unless sold. This is not being done anywhere... yet. Pot will be as cheap as good beer, when it is really legal.
            Not free. Just reasonable. And it will replace the demand for a lot of pharma drugs.
            It will knock crime down by at least 50%, and those 'crazy' shooters at schools will just be mellow people flipping burgers unless its against company policy and they test for pot.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago
              Then I recommend to you the same route that made the current changes in Oregon, Colorado and California legal. It's called the Initiative. Unlike recall I believe every state has it's own version. Simple to use and certainly you should be able to find the minimum amount of required signatures with relative ease.

              At present all drugs are illegal unless the government approves them as over the counter or for prescription use only.

              As I recall in California the price for getting a physical and a prescription was $100 with same day service.

              A home grow permit probably wouldn't cost that much more and would of course invite government inspection which means be careful how you word the initiative. Other than that two choices. IF we have a working constitution other than that your SOL. If we don't send Obama a campaign or retirement donation and ask for an executive order. Then the rest of us are SOL.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 4 months ago
    "This drug is also sold illegally on the street and police say this is how Roof came into its possession"

    Roof came into its possession???
    Is the writer saying that Roof had some drugs or that some drugs had Roof?
    Does anyone competent teach these hacks to write or to read what is written before they publish it?
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    • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
      it's the officiousness of broad publication, imho.
      I've seen it in action when working with a national
      organization. . makes folks get puffed up and stupid
      in their writing. -- j
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