why do we use the term "hate crimes?"

Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 4 months ago to Culture
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aren't these just crimes? . does the term "hate crime"
carry with it the hatred of the P.C. police or our
Social Justice Warriors? . is the term useful only
for social change purposes? -- j
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  • Posted by Itheliving 9 years, 4 months ago
    Hate is an emotion. It is a crime to feel unapproved emotions.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
      hear, hear!!! -- j
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      • Posted by Itheliving 9 years, 4 months ago
        The term "hear, hear" causes me distress as I am hard of hearing. I feel it is insensitive since it makes me feel uncomfortable. Had you said "here, here" it might be more acceptable. I think the way you said "hear, hear" the statement tends to be rather hateful. I am contacting the proper administrative authorities and will be filing a claim of harassment, since I also feel threatened I am also claiming duress and am fearful for my life. This constitutes an atrocious hatred toward me and I bet you thought it up yourself. I assume you had something to do with the Baltimore riots. No telling what you are planning next. I am sure that you hatful emotion has something to do with it. "hear, hear". Here, here indeed.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
          I will be contacting my lawyer, KHalling. -- j

          p.s. I am also living with right ear diminishment and
          tinnitis, primarily in the left ear. . since you were a
          medic, I heard, maybe you can empathize?
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          • Posted by Itheliving 9 years, 4 months ago
            I can perform surgery for a reduced cost since I have no medical degree. Once I render you unconscious with a large rock I guarantee you won't feel anything. I can empathize with you but not against you. It is hateful which is a crime.
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          • Posted by Itheliving 9 years, 4 months ago
            NOTE KHALING is also my attorney. That law office will turn on you like rabid dog-eat-dog people when they realize how much can be milked out of your bank account and home. Also for all of you other hateful ones I am writing down you on line names and will include them in my numerous complaints. I bet you enjoy watching that poor teenager (but not poor for long) being drug around by her hair, being beaten and pepper sprayed and having to listen to insults about Michael Jacksons (may he RIP) dancing and having a gun pulled and waived around like a conductor's concert baton. Just watch what happens next. KHALING call me now and lets get this show on the road.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 9 years, 4 months ago
    A crime is a crime is a crime unless it is committed in today's America. Then it depends on who attacked whom in which case it must be studied to determine if it was justifiable; if it was caused by the racist policies of the attackees ancestors, then it might very well be understandable and not a cause for concern.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 4 months ago
      We are surrounded by 'justifiable crimes' because many of the things we customarily do have been made illegal. We live in a society where any of us can be arrested at any moment, because - for certain - SOMETHING we own or do is illegal.

      Jan
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  • Posted by Poplicola 9 years, 4 months ago
    It is worse than that. Hate Crime legislation actually creates Preferred Victim Classes in the eyes of rational criminals. Consider that you are a purely unbiased felon wanting to attack a RANDOM victim. If you target a gay, woman, immigrant, or minority and at any point in your life made comments critical of that group, or target a victim willing to lie and SAY you made a hateful comment, your punishment will be dramatically greater than if you targeted a white male Christian citizen, making it only logical to avoid the groups protected by Hate Crime Legislation and focus your criminality on the rest of society.

    Surely the First Amendment and principle of Equal Protection of the Law would require that otherwise identical offenses receive identical punishment regardless of any utterances made in or around their commission. Otherwise, the difference in punishment can represent nothing less than the criminalization of the defendant's speech.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
      at first, when I read "rational criminals" my translation
      of the term was "government." . and I agree that this
      is the criminalization of speech or opinion, by its
      association with behavior. . well said, Peter!!! -- j
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      • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 4 months ago
        Rational, as an adjective attached to government is inappropriate. If government were rational, it would not respond in knee-jerk fashion to the whims of every shrill and loud group in the country. It would also be far smaller and more effective.

        All normal actions demonstrate fundamental irrationality from government.
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      • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 4 months ago
        Criminals might or might not be rational, however the more "effective" ones will take any edge they can get. So reducing a possible sentence if caught when they select victims would make sense to some of them.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 4 months ago
    To me hate crimes are an affront. just as having greater punishment for taking the life of a law enforcement officer. Are we not all equal under the law? A crime is a crime. I care not of the specific motivation. The fact that there is a motive, any motive, is sufficient corroborating evidence and nothing more. Unless of course you believe that "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
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  • Posted by vido 9 years, 4 months ago
    "Hate crime" is a totalitarian expression, aimed at controlling people's mind. Whoever uses that expression should be charged with it.
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  • Posted by MikeWi 9 years, 4 months ago
    The purpose of the concept 'Hate Crime' is to criminalize any form of judgment. Since it is natural to hate anything or anyone that is contrary to your values, you will naturally hate politicians who are striving to shove Environmentalism and Multiculturalism down your throat via Progressive Education. As Peter Schwartz has pointed out, popular usage of a concept can change over time. 'Hate Crime' is already used to defend Islam and modern Feminism. How long before it is used to defend the Planet or the Food and Drug Administration?
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 4 months ago
    All crimes are motivated by some form of hate: hatred of others or hatred of self. When you accept that you are who you are and others are who they are and that you can't change anyone but yourself, hate disappears because reality sets in. "Hate crime" is really both an oxymoron and a redundancy.

    The bigger problem is in attempting to heap extra punishment on a crime because of a certain inference made by the prosecutors as to motive. The purpose is to turn an objective/identifiable verdict into a subjective verdict and pervert justice to suit the agendas of those in power.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
      Well Said!!! . except that robbing a bank because
      that's where the money is ... doesn't involve much
      hate, in my view. . just avarice. -- j
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      • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 4 months ago
        We give names to all kinds of motivations. In the end, however, people who commit crimes do so because they refuse to admit the reality that they are in control of their own lives and can make them better without infringing on others' rights. They look at everything as a zero-sum game instead of as a collaborative where both can receive value and be better off.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 4 months ago
    I believe most libertarian writers get this answer wrong.

    "Hate crime" laws are not really about prejudice or hatred, per se. They exist to punish terrorist crimes, by which I mean crimes which are intentionally so scary that they can intimidate a large class of people into doing what the criminals demand. (An example might be an IRA bombing of a store, or the KKK lynching a black person for visiting overnight in a "sundown town.") This bullying motivation not only makes the crime worse than it would be if treated only as a crime against the direct victim; it also provides additional motivation for the criminals, such that the usual punishments for bombing or murder (in my two examples) aren't likely to be enough to deter.

    Of course, it would be better if the law could say this directly, and expressly punish the intent-to-bully rather than the mental state of hatred. But if written that way, the law wouldn't work in this country, because it's unconstitutional (I forget details) for a jury to infer that kind of intent without an actual admission by the accused, even when the facts make it obvious. I would allow this inference.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 4 months ago
    The liberal progressive connotation of Hate is a strong dislike at best, but if one looks at the original definitions of the word 'Hate' you'd find that it is much more than a dislike...it involves physical animosity. Liberal progressives do not look up word definitions, they disavow the authors authority and prefer to make it up on their own, some of it because they are stupid and some of it for nefarious means, to confuse us. I am no longer confused by them.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 4 months ago
      It does make me wonder if the leftist definition of racism/sexism (so that wanting truly equal treatment is racism/sexism) will be made to count for hate crimes.
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 4 months ago
        Racism is an invention of the left, starting with The first progressives, Teddy and Woodie. So it follows that what ever they accuse or wave finger at reverts back to them, not you...you just reminded them of their own faults. But invariably, Their mindless set is 180° opposed to ours. I suppose that our 'dislike' of them or anything they feel guilty about is like a slap upside the head ie. 'Hate'; and unfortunately, doing so does not re-boot their brain...
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  • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 4 months ago
    The government isn't interested in enforcing the laws that are on the books, like assault, rape and murder. So, they invent a new class of crime - hate crime - that they will enforce, until they get what they want. Then they won't enforce them either. If I kill you while calling you names, or I kill you quietly, you're just as dead; at that point, I don't think you'll give a rip about how I feel about you. If the government won't enforce the law against me about a non-hate crime murder, how likely is it that they will enforce the law about a hate crime murder? Will it matter to you if you're the victim? The punch line is that the government isn't doing its job, and they're creating new, unnecessary categories of crime to obfuscate the situation. And we're going along with the gag.
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  • Posted by walkabout 9 years, 4 months ago
    "they" use the term 'Hate Crime" so they can confuse the issue(s) and add unnecessary levels of law to the books. I do not care if the person assaulting me 'hates' me or not. I do not care if he mistook me for someone else. I do not care if he is beating me because I owe him (either in reality -- the 20 bucks I borrowed from him 5 years ago -- or because he believes more of my ancestors emigrated to the New World from Europe than from somewhere else) or because in his mind the way I walk suggests I engage in behaviors he does not condone. I do care that he is assaulting me without due process. The entire concept of Hate Crimes is unnecessary. Any Aggravating or mitigating circumstance can be considered at the time of sentencing.
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  • Posted by NealS 9 years, 4 months ago
    "Hate Crime" is mostly used as a defense to embolden criminals today. Today a hate crime is seldom the primary crime, or the only crime, it is usually connected to another crime. We just don’t have a hate crime by itself anymore. A hate crime used to be when someone burned a cross in your front yard or on your lawn for no other apparent reason except hate.

    Today “hate crime” is mostly used by non-white persons as a defense against being arrested for committing some other non-hate crime such as a simple robbery or simple assault against some other person. Predominately used as a defense usually only when white enforcement is used against a non-white criminal. Some black cops are exempt from hate crime charges but that too seems to be changing more recently. As an example, you will never see a defense of hate crime used by a white criminal for robbery or assault. White criminals will simply be charged with robbery or assault.

    Who is responsible for all this nonsense? Is it the criminals, the lawyers, or the cops? It used to be when some committed a crime such as robbery or assault, they were subdued, arrested, and tried for robbery or assault. It didn’t matter if the handcuffs made bruise marks on their wrists, or they got a busted nose in the arrest process. Society today will get exactly what it asks for and what it enforces by its actions.
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  • Posted by MagicDog 9 years, 4 months ago
    Democrats know that they cannot win without the Black votes. Blacks vote about 95% for the Democrat whoever he or she is. If even 10 % of Blacks switched to vote Republican, many close races would change the winner from Democrat to Republican. The Democrats support income entitlements and racial preferences. By constantly playing the race card, the Democrats get Blacks to believe that they are discriminated against by the White Republican establishment. Democrats keep fueling the Black distrust and hatred of Whites to ensure that they will stay on the plantation. Republicans can only offer liberty and freedom from government domination and that would be much more beneficial to Blacks in the long run than anything the Democrats advise.
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    • Posted by walkabout 9 years, 4 months ago
      How did the party of slavery (the peculiar institution); the party of Jim Crowe; the party of income tax (the ultimate slavery) become the party of black people?

      The 13th & 14th Amendments ended slavery; the 16th reinstated it!
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      • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
        and the double (jeopardy) election of BHO sealed
        the irony -- everyone is further enslaved by the
        redistributed-wealth curve of a half-black president
        and the D machine's taxes. -- j
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 4 months ago
    “Hate crime,” a crime committed against a person because of his or her ethnicity, religious beliefs, sexual preference or membership in a “disadvantaged” group. Not to be confused with “love crime,” a crime committed to achieve a more “equal” distribution of wealth, uphold traditional beliefs, punish “greed”, combat global warming, or promote other government-approved causes.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 9 years, 4 months ago
    You didn't get the memo?

    Regular criminals are victims who cannot help themselves due to their socioeconopolticosexualpsychocircumstances.

    Hate criminals are evil.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago
    Same reason we used gomers or zips or slopes or krauts. It's sets a trend for propaganda. Remember how the PC crowd comes up with these terms. They look in the mirror and describe what they see.
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  • Posted by Sunjock13 9 years, 4 months ago
    It is the difference between sound policy and the histrionics of politics... Many crimes of violence require "hate" (as defined by whom) when committed but you will only get the support of the extreme activists if you make it special... whether someone is beat to a pulp because of their race, gender, sexual orientation or "colors", OR just beat to a pulp they still feel beat to a pulp... I guess it could protect the aggressor who mistakenly beats someone to a pulp! Political Histrionics vs Policy... PH wins every time, sadly.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 4 months ago
    Wonder if there was open carry at the event?

    The term "Hate crime" was created as a crime against "diversity" which is much much worse than murder. (sarcasm)
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