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"Anthem" Assigned as Summer Reading for Honors High School English Class

Posted by Petri 9 years, 5 months ago to Education
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A good (?) piece of news: my heavily liberal/socialist-influenced high school daughter is assigned "Anthem" for her summer intro to her Senior English class. This was a shock! Think I will pull out my recently acquired copy and try to engage some conversation. Suggested by davidmcnabb that I acquire syllabus and investigate true intentions of teacher.


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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 5 months ago
    Even if the teacher's planning to trash Rand, *just reading the books is good*. If I had the undesirable choice of my kids taking a class that ignored Rand or had them read it but was critical of it, I'd rather have them read it. Hopefully they'll read it anyway, but I truly believe Ayn Rand's books can stand up to criticism. Even if teenagers read them and learns how supposedly evil they are, the teenagers will grow up and see the truth all around them in just a few years.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago
      This is how I feel, too. My daughter is top-ranked in her class and good at questioning (mostly me). Even someone not as intelligent will benefit from the exposure. Flashes of "aha" will hit them over their college years and beyond. I have faith it will sink in and will be applied as real life hits these students square on. Wish I had read Rand at that age. My life would have taken a different direction.
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    • Posted by Ibecame 9 years, 5 months ago
      Although my kids are now past HS, I fully agree with you. Ayn Rand with a bad teacher is better than no Ayn Rand at all. Of course the way to over come bad teachers is to be an active parent. Believe me the school "system" hates active parents.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 5 months ago
    I'm intrigued by the "why" on this....

    Do they not see it as a singularly strong warning against collectivism/socialism?
    Since that is the ideal society to the government and by extension government schools one would think they would assign reading that portrays it positively rather than negatively.
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    • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 5 months ago
      My guess is that they will use the book to somehow support their progressive theology. As I posted in the Fountainhead post, my daughter eagerly signed up for a freshman college course about the value of the individual only to find that the professor was a collectivist teaching that the individual had no value. Just a word of warning.
      It's great that she will be reading it! Both my kids read Fountainhead to satisfy their summer reading requirement and became big fans of Rand like their Mom!
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 5 months ago
    My older daughter read Anthem for her AP English class a couple of years ago. After that, she asked to read AS, mostly because she liked the movies.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 5 months ago
    well, she'll enjoy it. discussing the book before next semester will give her a chance to sharpen arguments she may need. there's something so compelling about smart, beautiful young women (and handsome young men) who get it!
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  • Posted by quill67 9 years, 5 months ago
    Some of the statements about individualism/selfishness seem stark in this book and could be abused if the teacher so chose; however, the first thing the main character plans to do at the end of the book is free more of like minded people from the collective and build a new community and his motives for doing so seem to be that he wants others to be happy like himself--hardly a selfish concern.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 5 months ago
    Wow.

    You should know: "Anthem" was my intro to Ayn Rand. A hole-in-the-wall book shop in New Haven, Conn., put it on the Science Fiction shelves. I bought it, read it, and went to the Yale University Bookstore (then known as the Yale Co-operative Corporation Store) and bought a copy of every novel and essay collection Rand ever had published.
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  • Posted by LWinn 9 years, 5 months ago
    I am a non-”producer” and an infrequent contributor here because I generally doubt the value of this kind of discourse (and I do value my dollars). I, too, use Anthem as in introduction to objectivism. I just do it with the knowledge that the novel’s logic is flawed. Rand had little understanding of technology or science. If I were a socialist, I would take full advantage of that by pointing out that the "outside" in Anthem would degrade into uselessness within a matter of years, not decades. I would then point out that there is nowhere “outside” to go. And yet you need an escape to survive as an objectivist (a non-socialist). Is that not a logical contradiction, almost like a proof in mathematics?
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    • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 5 months ago
      If you mean that there is nowhere "outside" to go in our current world (not the world of Anthem) then I would point out that many of our discussions have revolved around finding a solution to this problem. Additionally, this virtual Gulch is "outside" to a sufficient extent that topics can be discussed within the context of mutually accepted rational parameters.

      This is not "outside" in terms of having a new world to colonize and 'start over' on, but it many of us have not had a context for conversations like this before.

      Jan
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    • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 5 months ago
      LW, this virtual "outside" may allow some to "go Galt"
      and live a more fulfilling life by virtue of the valuable
      people and their contributions here. . I just simply
      retired early, at 59, and am hiding away here, loving
      life more because of people like you. . Thank You! -- john
      .
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 9 years, 5 months ago
    this is a good thing, don't misunderstand me. some Rand is better than no Rand.
    But Anthem? They should have read it in their Honors Middle School English Class.
    "Honors" classes, especially summer ones, used to be grueling, satisfying WORK.
    They should be reading Fountainhead. and discussing 3-on-1 with the teacher, so he knows who's gotten what.

    oh, let the building fall down and sow salt in the ruins and I'll sit under a tree with a couple of kids and read what they need to read next.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 5 months ago
    "The 'outside' [in 'Anthem"]would degrade into
    uselessness"? Does LWinn mean Equality's and
    his Golden One's and the friends he intends to
    recruit would degrade into uselessness? It's not
    necessary, or even likely. As to his hometown, it
    has already degraded into uselessness, and is
    pretty well hopeless.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago
    Makes a good springboard into Moral Philosophy as used to support a major belief system. It does take a good deal more individual honesty which is hard to find in the Good Try Self Esteem schools these days but the outcome might lead to Self Respect.
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 5 months ago
    Sorry for not posting this sooner, Petri, but my first reaction was to warn your daughter to scope out the environment carefully. If the teacher's views are anti-Randian or Socialist or whatever, there's a good chance that merely disagreeing with or questioning the teacher's comments or suggestions will earn an Instant F in the class.

    There have been too many reports of that shit happening at schools. If the teacher is, in fact, trying to 'mind-fuck' the students, suggest that she parrot back what the teacher wants to hear, collect the good grades for her record, and go back to thinking when the class is over.

    just MY two cents... after taxes.
    :)
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