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Who Attacks Our Bill of Rights--Who Defends Them

Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 7 months ago to Government
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The link I offer in this discussion is for the decision released by the US 2nd Circuit on Wednesday determining that the NSA 'Bulk Collection of Telephone Meta Data' is illegal by the justifications offered by the President and the DoJ: " In a sweeping decision out of the Second Circuit Court of Appeals, ACLU v. Clapper, the federal court has ruled the National Security Agency’s (NSA) bulk data collection program, which sweeps up millions of Americans’ phone records without a warrant, to be illegal." I've just finished reading the entire 97 pages of the decision. I often do this tedious task on issues that interest me as well as many of the case filings leading up to the decision and it's a revealing effort to undertake, particularly in attempting to understand how and why our legal system and our government operates the way it does. This is not an exercise I recommend for a relaxing evenings read by the firelight. These cases are not easy to read, nor understand, and finding and reading the cites which then leads to further cites will drive you up a tree -- not to mention digging into their procedures and rules, logic and word definitions.

What this case, as so many others in the past, brings to mind, besides the facts and reasonings revealed in the documents and arguments, is the question I ask of all of you in the heading to this post:

Who Attacks Our Bill of Rights--Who Defends Them -- and I might add, Where Do We Find Justice?

In the last few years, I've read literally hundreds of case decisions that affect my individual and natural rights, as discussed in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and by Ayn Rand throughout her writings. And in nearly everyone of those cases, those arguing for a literal and liberal interpretation and application of those rights are individuals and organizations outside of government--never government. The government represented by the Solicitor General of the United States or the Dept. of Justice, or the Attorney General of a State, always take the position that the right doesn't exist, or needs to be ignored in a particular case, or the interpretation of the right is different than what you think it means, or the right doesn't apply, or the individual bringing the case lacks standing, or that if the right does exist it should be limited in pursuance of a necessary operation, or good by the state or Federal government.

Those men and women arguing against individual rights all have had to pass their state bar, the Federal bar, and the Supreme Court bar, or in the case of the federal to have been specifically accepted. These aren't just your everyday run of the mill divorce, personal injury, cooperate and contracts, tax, prosecuting, or defense lawyers. For the most part, these people are the cream of the crop that have studied long and hard to reach this point in their careers and their compensations and their future careers. And while I fully understand the adversarial basis of our court systems, everyone of these attorneys have studied the Founding Documents and as a requirement of their office, have sworn an Oath to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.

Yet while they're in court representing their government, they're given a pass on that Oath part and are actually encouraged by their ruling attorneys' doctrine (and threatened with the most dire attorney's punishment of disbarment if they fail), to vigorously defend and attack, against the individual's attempt to claim and defend his individual rights. Further, in reading the writings of several of these attorneys in cases and in other writings, they don't even personally believe much if not at least some of what they're arguing, and some even bemoan the rulings and decisions that they win, yet are still proud of their work.

Why, you may ask, is it our government with all of its tremendous financial and manpower might that attacks us at every step in cases such as these in court, while we are limited to the picayune resources available to us, unless we're able to interest the ACLU, go pro se, or qualify as a pauper from prison or on death row? Particularly when it comes to an issue of individual rights protection which is the sole purpose of the government as spelled out in the Declaration, the Constitution, and the Oath all governmental officials take.

Indeed, Why You May Ask! Why are we named as enemies of the state, why do the police lie, brutalize, and kill us, why are we thrown in jails and prisons at inordinate numbers, why do bureaucracies and regulators seem to fight us at every breath, why do our legislators agree to all of this? WHY??? WHO Defends our Rights???

SOURCE URL: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/breaking-nsa-spying-illegal-entire-time-authorized-patriot-act/


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    Posted by $ splumb 9 years, 7 months ago
    "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We *want* them broken. You'd better get it straight That it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against– then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."
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    Posted by straightlinelogic 9 years, 7 months ago
    The founders knew that it was everywhere and at all times the tendancy of governments to infringe and eliminate individual rights. Government, they believed, was necessary to protect those rights, but they were under no illusions that that would be what the government would prefer or want to do. Consequently, the founders tried to walk a tight rope between giving the government enough power to perform its necessary functions, but building in enough checks and balances so that it could not infringe on individual liberties. They knew power corrupts, and their solution was those checks and balances, and later, the Bill of Rights. In the last analysis, though, for individual rights to be protected requires restraint by government officials, no matter what the Constitution and Declaration of Independence say. Unfortunately, the lust for power may be the most powerful drug in the universe. When restraint is absent and that lust has run amuck, as it clearly has now, the founders had one last recourse: revolution.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 7 months ago
      Man's lust for power has become enormous in this day and time.
      Look about anywhere--
      ISIS
      Putin
      Our own largely corrupt more than equal know-it-all elite betters.
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      • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 7 months ago
        You're implying that there's been an increase in power lust over time. History suggests the opposite, or America would have happened a lot sooner than it did. The American revolution is now being attacked by a counter-revolution that's attempting to restore the values of the past. The reference for ISIS is the 7th century; for Putin, it's the age of the Tsars (that's why he's wiling to have a second Crimean war); Hitler referred to Germany in pre-Roman times; Mussolini referred to ancient Rome; the Iranians are referring to ancient Persia; Saddam referred to ancient Babylon. In every case, the usually distant past is considered superior to the modern world. Did these ancient empires deliver anything useful to the world? Very little. In every case, they achieved "greatness" by force of arms The only system that has delivered untold benefit to the world has been the industrial revolution and the associated belief in the rights of man, leading to the freedom that we today take for granted, but which is an anomaly in world history. Note that we could have had an industrial revolution some 2,100 years ago, with Hero's engine, but it was rejected because the powers that be didn't want to give up their slaves. If we'd had an industrial revolution then, Star Trek wouldn't be fiction. So, don't just blame today's knuckleheads for power lust. History suggests otherwise.
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    • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 7 months ago
      It also requires a population that desires and understands freedom No procedural safe guards will ever be effective against a population that wants to be enslaved.
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      • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 7 months ago
        Sadly too large of the population is more interested in free stuff than freedom.
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        • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 7 months ago
          Probably the biggest failing of our system is the failure to teach the population about capitalism. The average person is fed a constant diet of the evil capitalist. Even the people who industrialized this country are called Robber Barons, even though they stole from no one, and delivered unimaginable benefits to the population. If they don't know where these benefits come from, and from whom, why shouldn't they think that "free stuff" is free?!?
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    • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 7 months ago
      I'd change your ending a little. In the last analysis, government officials CANNOT be trusted to behave, because a bureaucracy's first priority is always to protect itself. Therefore, enough of the general population always needs to be armed better than they are, that they fear us.

      As soon as the federal government became better armed than the average person -- which happened around 1880-1900 -- freedom became doomed. Or at least it became inevitable that we'd someday have to fight another civil war to get it back.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 7 months ago
    I predict that the GOP controlled con-gress will authorize these unconstitutional NSA actions in an amendment to the extension of the Screw Liberty (aka patriot) Act.

    Justice can be found at the business end of 100 million privately owned rifles, and no where else in the USSA.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 7 months ago
      That's all true, but what do you think about the question. How did our government get so screwed up that instead of defending our rights, the government is the one that attacks our rights?
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      • Posted by khalling 9 years, 7 months ago
        Hamilton with the Whiskey Act, and the Alien and Sedition Act-happened pretty much right away
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        • Posted by 9 years, 7 months ago
          As you say, before the ink was dry on the Constitution. I found it really interesting that Washington and Hamilton led troops out of NY into Penn to enforce the Whiskey Act and shortly after, Washington got so disgusted by what he was doing against Americans, that he left Hamilton in charge and returned to NY. Aaron Burr should be recognized as an American hero.

          But John Adams and his Alien and Sedition Act, imprisoning newspaper publishers that were only released when Jefferson was elected--what terrible acts. I've never been able to fully understand how Jefferson and Adams were able to reconcile. I've read some of the letters back and forth between the two. One would think that instead, they would despise each other.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 7 months ago
        The people allowed government more power as a result of the 16th amendment and federal reserve act. That allowed greater transfer of power from people to government and to banksters. Then (as planned) the government was bankrupted (by actions of banksters and power seeking pols) in the 30s and fear was used to cause the majority to give consent to socialistic dictatorship by agreeing to social security. That is the likely reason that the constitutional protections have been ignored: the people unwittingly consented.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 7 months ago
          I agree with the tremendous impact the progressive and then socialist movement had on us in the early 1900's and even up to today, but the actions I'm discussing began happening before the ink was dry on the Constitution.

          I'm not convinced that many of the people had even a hint about how these systems were set up to operate.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 7 months ago
            I assume you are referring to the push by hamiltionian banksters/looters from the Articles to the Constitution? Can you recommend a good source to get better informed about that, Zen?
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      • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 7 months ago
        When the government punished the Robber Barons with confiscation, the door was opened to our confiscation. The antitrust laws were followed by the income tax, the Federal Reserve, confiscation of gold, subsidies, control of production, affirmative action (beginning with Woodrow Wilson), etc., etc. Notice that virtually all of these schemes began as an "attack" on the wealthy, and ended up enslaving us all. It's our own envy and stupidity that has allowed this to happen.
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      • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 7 months ago
        Perhaps the government should not be considered a "necessary evil," but a mostly Unnecessary evil. The design of the government should include periodic reviews of every department with a goal of eliminating or privatizing it unless the department can prove it's worth and the necessity of keeping it in the government. I was most impressed by Robert Heilein's approach in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" (I've mentioned this in a post few months ago) - to re-examine each law periodically and eliminate it if 2/3 of the voters don't support it. The same needs to apply to agencies and departments. There needs to be an automatic process to continually disassemble the government and only the essential functions that can pass the test should be kept.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 7 months ago
    Hank Rangar?

    Thanks for the wonderful article. These lawyers are not the cream of the crop, unless you consider political pull the criteria. The Federal and Supreme court trial bar does not truly indicate and special training or skills. Finally, I took two semesters of Constitutional law in law school and in that whole time we barely glanced at the Constitution and never looked at the Declaration - sad but true.
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    • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 7 months ago
      "These lawyers are not the cream of the crop, unless you consider political pull the criteria." A corruptible system attracts corrupt participants.
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      • Posted by 9 years, 7 months ago
        Yes, but where did the corruption arise from, or is it just the 'nature of the beast'?
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        • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 7 months ago
          Was the corruption ever really gone? A lot of compromises had to be made to get everybody to sign on for this ride. Is that our error? Thinking for all these years that we'd won this battle once before? Suddenly we're all surprised to be fighting it again, when in fact it was never completely won in the first place.
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        • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 7 months ago
          Selfishness is inherent in man, and most people, even if principled, will find a way to rationalize whatever they want to do. Therefore there is no substitute for ongoing vigilance. No matter how perfect a system you design and enact, as soon as you decide it is "good enough" and relax, its fall will begin.
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        • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 7 months ago
          The divine right of kings, aristocracy, nobility, all ideas that were, of course, still around and still accepted doctrines by many at the time. Support for the revolution was heavily debated and hard won. The familiar was easier, as always. Ask some older Coloradans what they think of the Californians moving in and taking over. They wished to escape the problems in California but all they did was bring those problems with them.

          I guess that means it is the nature of the beast. The compromises in the constitution were vulnerabilities that allowed the erosion. The freedom and favorable conditions and overall attitude allowed people to take for granted the Constitution and the ideas that allowed/created those conditions.

          Another note relating more directly to (one of) your previous question; Do you think religion may be the leading cause of the erosion? The philosophy leading to the failure? It is the most direct path to the justification of rights violating legislation and, possibly, the hardest to defend against. In the absence of a defined, and proven morality outside of religion, it would have been impossible to defend against. And with that door open, when rights violating laws are acceptable under "certain circumstances", all we are left to do is argue over said circumstances.
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          • Posted by 9 years, 7 months ago
            I think religion was probably used as reason for many things by those wanting to control as well as a type of psychological conditioning. Of course thats what its always been. Control and to stop searches for truth and knowledge.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 7 months ago
      I admire Hank a great deal. A man with no fear of taking his destiny into his own hands. I'm looking forward to the imminent release of the new book.

      Where do you find the 'cream of the crop'? Is the Fed trial bar just the procedures and rules of the courts?

      Are there any classes or education offered in the philosophies of the Constitution and Declaration, or is it just left up to the students to form their own opinions, or is it just ignored?

      And finally, what philosophy of law or government leads to the system we've evolved to?
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      • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 7 months ago
        Thanks

        It is not in the Fed bar. Like many areas you have to evaluate attorneys for yourself and decide if you want Peter Keating or Howard Roark.

        To the best of my knowledge there are no formal classes in the law school on the philosophy of the constitution/Declaration and if there were they would be about tearing them down.

        I think utilitarianism/pragmatism are what got us here. Most Americans will not accept outright Marxism or Kant, but with utilitarianism you can get there slowly.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 7 months ago
          Yes, I think you're right. But instead of being taught as a philosophy amongst others or directly, I fear that its instilled throughout the education process and methods. Some must avoid it through previous experiences, education (mostly self gained or family instilled), or self realization. But I guess, never enough.
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      • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 7 months ago
        Sadly no the Fed trial bar is not the elite Just like in most areas you have to take the time to evaluate attorneys for yourself. And you have to ask yourself it you want to pick a Howard Roark or Peter Keating.

        To the best of my knowledge formal legal education does not discuss the philosophy of the Constitution or Declaration and if they do it is about tearing it down.

        I would say the fundamental driver what the US has become is utilitarianism/pragmatism. People in the US are not true believers in a social utopia, but they can be brought there inch by inch.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 7 months ago
          Its the old adage of 'buyer beware'.

          I become more and more convinced that we can never realize an individual rights centered society and government. I'm depressing myself.

          Thanks for the responses.
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  • Posted by BlackBeaver 9 years, 7 months ago
    "The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government, least it come to dominate our lives and interests." --- Patrick Henry (May 29, 1736 – June 6, 1799), American attorney, planter and Founding Father.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago
    Our government has become a ship that has sailed without its passengers. As predicted, to the extent the government grows, to that extent, it becomes an adversary to its citizens. I applaud Z for the analysis and bringing the tortuous legalese to light, but the simple matter is, that Washington has become an enclave of elected royalty whose primary goal is the perpetuation of themselves. This attitude filters down and as it does, creates the same attitude as those that are rampant in D.C. There is a solution, but it probably will take another revolution, or, a great big healthy shrug.
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    • Posted by $ Terraformer_One 9 years, 7 months ago
      I think that is a major contributing factor for the effective strangling of the US space program - when there is an open country/continent to escape to, people will shrug(a much more productive use of their energies).
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 7 months ago
    We do need to remember: we have enemies on the outside, as well as inside. But the solution is to harden all targets. And the easiest way to do that, is to arm ourselves. "A well-regulated militia," James Madison said.
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  • Posted by waytodude 9 years, 7 months ago
    The governments role throughout history has been to control the people in every aspect. Our fore father's tried to break this cycle with our constitution. Thomas Jefferson wrote that government should be overthrown about every twenty years to stop tyranny. I think we are way past due. Our philosophy that we practice here in this group will do little good to stop the train wreck ahead unless the masses can come the believe in our philosophy. In my estimate we are far out numbered by all of the far left and far right who could never find a middle ground. So it's time to shrug if you haven't already.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 7 months ago
    Certainly not those who claim their rights given them the right to deny us our rights. Especially when those rights don't exist nor are any of their rights infringed. But then if it walks, talks and poops like duck you either have doo doo on your lawn or a left wing fascist in the conversation. At my age I hardly care if they know who I am. It's only important I know who I am. Who? I'm the dude with crap on the lawn (SMILE).

    New rule it's ok to bug any conversation starting, passing through or entering our borders without the need for a signed court order. That would include those retransmitted by satellites.

    That was added to supplement the existing since 1933 rules on broadcast transmissions.

    And yes Virginia Cell Radio Phones are not not telephones once they jump from cell tower cell tower you have no rights of privacy.

    As for the Constitution it was I believe replaced with the Patriot Act. The left has such a way with words.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 7 months ago
    members of the congress and otherwise all government employees working from the white house on down attack them. so who is there to defend them?
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 7 months ago
    There is nothing more important to the maintenance of personal liberty than individual integrity. When we allow our love of money, fame, power, etc. to suborn our pursuit of reality, we allow those other interests to override and distort our values and the derived judgments.

    "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
    - John Adams

    Personal integrity is the bridle.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 7 months ago
    Maybe for every dollar they spend on a attorneys arguing a right doesn't exist, they should have to spend a dollar on someone arguing for the right.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 7 months ago
    The Oath that they take is mostly meaningless. The real oath is and has always been to the paymaster. By giving the bureaucracies the ability to charges the public for whatever service or disservice they provide, a self-licking ice cream-cone monster has been created. Only now we're finding out that it doesn't taste good.
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