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Bosch Fawstin vs. Facebook and The Religion of “Peace”

Posted by khalling 9 years, 6 months ago to Culture
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Dr. Hurd nails it:
"A typical conversation between a psychotherapist, such as myself, and a client, will go like this:
Client: “My husband (or wife) makes me feel this way.” Or: “My boss makes me feel like an incompetent person.” Or: “My mother used to make me feel like I’m helpless, and still does.”
Therapist: “Nobody can MAKE you feel a certain way without your consent. Your feelings come from your thoughts, ideas and assumptions. If someone belittles you and you feel small because of it, then some part of you feels like you’re inadequate. If you thought of yourself as capable and strong, you would not be subject to the perceived or actual slights of others.”
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 6 months ago
    For those who wonder why liberals want the rest of us to be so accommodating to extremist Muslims, I'll tell you why: the twisted psyche of the modern liberal extremist sincerely believes they are the only true "enlightened ones", and feel no remorse for the fate of those who do not acknowledge that "fact." Look at how they embrace the most extreme environmentalist position of the "Earth First" crowd, who endorse the idea of reducing the human population to no more than 100 million, by any means necessary; somehow, in supporting the justification of slaughter of the "unbelievers" by extremist Muslims, I think they feel that this may be one of the ways to reach that goal. Living in their fantasy world, it never seems to occur to them that they too are vulnerable to be taken out by one of the offended parties.
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    • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 6 months ago
      What about the extremist Christians who can't wait to see the end of the world so they can be taken up in the Rapture?
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 6 months ago
        Strange comment. If you thought this was a shot across my bow, you guessed wrong - I'm no Christian. That being said, I've never had a Christian of any flavor tell me he had to kill me because I was an unbeliever. There is a distinct difference between the Rapture folk and the Islamic "Twelvers." The Twelvers believe they have to act to bring about Armageddon to bring back the Twelfth Imam, but the Rapturist Christians believe that the end of the world is for God alone to decide. Between the two, I think I'd rather live with the Christians, who I know aren't going to threaten to kill me.
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        • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 6 months ago
          As you wish, but I would mention that it was Christians who perpetrated the Holocaust.
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          • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years, 6 months ago
            No, that was the Nazis and many Christians were persecuted as well.
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            • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 6 months ago
              Absolutely correct! Hitler was a pagan who hid behind the church, so long as it didn't challenge him. For dear Adolf, his form of worship was sitting through a Wagner opera, with its paean to the old Scandinavian/Germanic pagan deities. A significant number of Christians, Catholic as well as Lutheran, including many of the clergy, were sent to the death camps because they opposed Hitler's condemnation of Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, and the mentally disabled.
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              • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago
                I am having trouble finding sources which are consistent. I found this reference. Pay attention to the Nazi platform of 1920. It seems fairly clear it was used as a draw for voters. I 'm having difficulty with evidence that the catholic church persecuted protestants. Not saying this did not happen in Germany, just that according to this source the vast majority of Germans were protestant. http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?...
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            • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 6 months ago
              Go ahead and rewrite history, but the Nazis were Germans, and most Germans were Catholic. German obedience to the Leader was a by-product of religious obedience.
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              • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years, 6 months ago
                So to follow your logic, Christians caused the Holocaust because most Germans were Catholic, Catholics are Christians, and since the Nazis were German we can deduce that Christians were the instigators.

                With all due respect Puzzlelady, I'm not the one re-writing history, and I think that you should review your premise.
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                • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 6 months ago
                  I stand by my original statement that the Holocaust was perpetrated by Christians; by whatever division into Protestant and Catholic is immaterial. Most people had religious affiliations. They "went along" with obedience to the Fuhrer. The common greeting people used with each other was "Heil Hitler". That expression disappeared overnight when Germany surrendered and Hitler died, to the relief of many. Saying "Heil Hitler" was a duty, not a desire. Germans were ruled by their religion and indoctrinated sense of duty to obey. Duty uber alles.
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                  • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years, 6 months ago
                    And I stand by my statement that the Christians did not perpetrate the Holocaust; the Nazis did.
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                    • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 6 months ago
                      Fine, but do the math. If most Germans were Christians, and most Nazis were German, there is a considerable overlap of Nazis who were Christian, as there were Christians who joined the Nazi party. They were not two hermetically sealed-off entities. A is A. Nowadays when people meet, even total strangers, they extend the greeting, "Gruess Gott."
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                      • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago
                        In Germany, you were required to affiliate with a religion, whether you were religious or not. Although there a few religious leaders who openly supported the Nazis, the vast majority did not and most of them were interned for a period of time or murdered. Once you are operating under a dictator, and life became hard during war, as you said, people tried to lay low, not be conspicuous. Where is the proof that leading up to the war, ministers were calling for the death of Jews? I am no expert here, but I imagine hundreds if not thousands of Christians tried to help hide jewish citizens.
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                  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 6 months ago
                    I am not defending them. I am merely reporting how religious people can be drawn into massive evil through motivation by their leaders. And I want to mitigate the currently propagated view that all Muslims are evil, by recalling that history's greatest evil, the Holocaust, was the work of Christians, not to mention the Spanish Inquisition.
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              • Posted by Maritimus 9 years, 6 months ago
                I agree with you, puzzlelady.

                From my personal experience and knowledge, the Catholic servants of Hitler's Germans, killed and burned alive anybody that they did not like because they were Orthodox Christians. I know of a man who was thrown into the fire under a boiler in his own factory. I know of a village where all the Orthodox were herded into their church, locked in and the building torched.

                Not all Christians, nor all Germans are monsters. But neither that religion, nor that ethnicity provide an immunity against monstrosity.
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                • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 6 months ago
                  Source? Actually, the biggest sin of the minority of Catholic German clergy was to do little to stand in the way of Hitler's onslaught against Jews. Pope Pious XII was trying to prevent the slaughter of Catholics by the Nazis, and advised to keep anti-Nazi activities out of public attention.
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                • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 6 months ago
                  Thank you, Maritimus. Agreed. Hitler did not do it alone. It took a huge number of people, some willing, many coerced, to carry out his program. His harangues were powerfully effective in motivating people emotionally.

                  Monstrosity, like a cancer, emerges gradually, without a full plan at the start. Evil metastasizes.

                  I am one of the survivors.
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                  • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago
                    ?
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                    • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 6 months ago
                      What would you like to know?
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                      • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 6 months ago
                        Was this "personal experience" based on family stories of conflict between Nazi-backed Croatian Catholics against Communist-backed Serbian Orthodox? That I can believe, as those Balkan religious/ethnicities have been slaughtering each other for a thousand years or so, but don't distort the picture to include German or other Catholics.
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                      • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago
                        You have left us hanging. What are you willing to share about your experience?
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                        • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 6 months ago
                          All right, since you asked, here are the bare bones.

                          We were Hungarian refugees from the Russian invasion of Hungary in 1944. My parents and I fled to Germany on a moment's notice and got out on the last train before they closed the borders, abandoning everything in our home except for what we could carry. We went to Fuerth (Kissinger's birthplace), where my aunt lived. Her husband was a German soldier recently killed in action. She was made to do hard physical work in a factory, although her profession was prima ballerina and ballet teacher. People do whatever it takes to survive. The strong message for survival was to obey, to say little, to blend in, to obey. We never heard about death camps, only that Jews were to be deported out of the country. No one said why.

                          I have very clear memories of what we experienced, although as a 5-year-old I had no detailed understanding of the politics. I knew we had documentation to prove we had no Jewish ancestry for at least two generations. Part of our family were Catholic and part Protestant. My mother's family were landed gentry. My father's family were teachers; he was an engineer.

                          My aunt's apartment was next to the railroad tracks, which were heavily bombed. After each bombing raid, the people would go out with washtubs to see what they could salvage in the debris while the night sky was aglow with the sparks of cinders. The building in which we lived, and in whose basement we spent many nights when air raid sirens blared, was the only one left standing, its several neighbors on both sides collapsed.

                          My father managed to get us out of the city and into the Bavarian countryside. It was supposed to be far away from the action but ended up as the final front. We were hiding out in a bunker dug into a hill with about 100 other people and could not come out for 5 days and nights, until the day Germany surrendered. Wounded soldiers were brought in daily. My mother would try to shield my eyes from the sight of their blood. We slept on our suitcases. Slop buckets substituted for toilets and were carried in and out periodically. The stench was unbearable. I contracted TB but was not diagnosed until the following year.

                          After the bunker episode we lived in the attic room of a farm house, sleeping on burlap bags of straw. Americans came in convoys. We children ran alongside them to pick up cigarette butts. They befriended us children and gave us candy and sometimes a whole cigarette. Each kid and soldier just picked each other out as special buddies, even though none spoke the other's language. I learned German from the other kids. There was a great shortage of food, and my father would stand in line from 3AM on just to get a head of cabbage brought in from the farms. People were quietly cooperative and disciplined, no stealing or looting. Black marketeering, most likely, if one had anything to trade. Refugees had nothing.

                          My father offered his services to the Americans as an interpreter (he spoke 7 languages), and that saved us. We went back to Fuerth, where he continued to work for the Americans until our emigration to the U.S. in 1951. My first grade of school was set up in a former tavern because the military occupied all the school buildings. I then spent 7 months in a sanatorium in the Alps to be cured of TB. To cure all those childhood traumas took reading Rand.
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                          • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago
                            wow puzzlelady. what an amazing and heartbreaking story. I'm glad you're here and we know you
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                            • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 6 months ago
                              Thank you, KH. I'm glad to be here. I appreciate interacting with stimulating minds. You have gathered an awesome group of people here. I couldn't ask for a better peer review group for my theories, and to find people I can admire.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 6 months ago
    I learned this lesson as a teen reading The Fountainhead. It took but one sentence which was like turning on a light in a dark room. "But I don't think of you, Mr. Toohey." Ayn Rand taught me in those few words, more than a book full of psychological gobbledegook could. I realized that in order to be like Roark, it was important to be in control of myself. It took a while. It was harder than learning how to drive, but easier than rocket science.
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  • Posted by Lucky 9 years, 6 months ago
    To those of particular religious persuasion and peculiar sensitivity, to make a drawing of the founder is offensive, to quote his teachings even without comment is offensive.
    Regarding such feelings of offense, I am indifferent. . I am offended myself by the surrender monkeys saying only those feelings matter.
    I have my own peculiar sensitivities in that mass beheadings, capturing and enslaving schoolgirls, placing offensive weapons in schoolyards and hospitals, are offensive to me. It seems it is bad to offend with ideas, but consideration must be given to violent nut cases.

    Being offended is right and proper, it is a survival mechanism. What matters is how you deal with it.
    Dr Hurd is wrong. Psychotherapy is the art of getting people to pay you for listening to their stories.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 9 years, 6 months ago
    I posted his cartoon on my FB page.

    Come and Take It! (well, of course that is just bravado as FB can delete it presumably at the click of a button)
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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 9 years, 6 months ago
    I found it interesting that if you go to Mr. Fawstin's FB page, this comment is appended by him to the offending winning cartoon:

    "A friend reminded me of this fitting Ayn Rand quote:

    'Defiance, not obedience, is the American’s answer to overbearing authority.'"

    I know I've seen that quote elsewhere, and definitely here in The Gulch...another +10 for Mr. Fawstin.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 9 years, 6 months ago
    Stock up on Guns and Ammo we may need it yet if ISIS rears it's ugly head. With that said, a thought occurred to me that maybe they are the Beast of Babylon from the Book of Revelation. Although, I still think that the writer of Revelation was on a bad trip from a contaminated loaf of bread.
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  • Posted by gaiagal 9 years, 6 months ago
    With regard to the statements quoted:

    My mother put it another way: "That was mean thing to say but sticks and stones will break your bones but words will never hurt you." This was usually followed by "Now, if you continue to cry, I will really give you something to cry about."

    This was said while my mother was drying my tears.

    This confused me at first because I felt "hurt." But somehow this put what Johnny or Mary just said to me in a different perspective. Nothing they said could actually, physically hurt me. The only hurt I felt was caused by what I was thinking. As soon as I realized the speaker was mean - I didn't feel so bad.

    Took some repeating...but I got it.

    This little saying has fallen into disfavor. Shame.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 9 years, 6 months ago
    "A man is likely to mind his own business when it is worth minding. When it is not, he takes his mind off his own meaningless affairs by minding other people's business." --The True Believer, Eric Hoffer.

    Anyone who is offended chooses it, generally, because the are seeking "external validation;" they do not have the self-esteem, self-respect for themselves and they have to attach to someone else to give their lives some meaning. They are not individuals, they are pathetic parasites.
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