I did at least reference It's A Wonderful Life but I always choose Jimmy in The Shop Around The Corner. These are personal to me but trust me I left off several I still enjoy. Thanks for reading, I appreciate that. Roger Ebert would agree with you on Scrooged. Films don't have to be uplifting to touch your soul as Citizen Kane proves.
I watched Van Johnson in his version of The Shop Around the Corner just last night. I was all prepared to hate it, but ended up liking the more positive approach, in regards to the shop owner's character.
Judy Garland was not the right choice, and she never convinced me that she was anywhere but in her actual depressed mood....
You ever watch Battleground with Van Johnson? Takes place during the Battle of Bastogne. It's much like Band of Brothers only from 1945? I believe. I have plans to watch the Van Johnson version of The Shop Around The Corner.
I don't understand some of the posts I see here. If someone is an atheist and hates the commercial greed of gift giving, what does Christmas mean to you? Why have a collection of favorite Christmas movies? In general, what place does an anti-capitalist have in Galt's Gulch? .
also, what anti-capitalist movies made the list? one can explore many themes for many different reasons. If you are a film maker, philosophical message is only one part of what may or may not make a great film. There are many other criteria.
I would assume my disgust in the "commercial greed of gift giving" is what makes them come to such an ill-conceived conclusion. I wouldn't dare assume they were just a troll.
uh oh. you've lost some Objectivists there Roger. can you elaborate more? Objectivists support value for value. If products and services offered are desired then there is a value for value exchange. that is moral as long as what is being exchanged was not gotten by force or exchanged under force. Each can discriminate regarding their values. what's with the commercial greed comment? are people forced to give gifts?
In my article I wrote "Regardless of my distaste for the big-business corporate exploitation of the pagan holiday known as Yule" whereas the above post by lyndamond translated that into "hates the commercial greed of gift giving". You (khaling) asked what anti-capitalist movies were on the list. Though I don't feel it was the nature of the films on my list but rather my comment instead that caused them to falsely accuse me of being anti-capitalist. As an individual I don't care what an objectivist or anyone else for that matter thinks of me, however I do not believe it is the act of gift-giving that repulses me but the nature of the people themselves. As I explain in my article the list of Christmas films was a gift to the world after all. All a person need do to understand what Christmas means to me should simply just read the article and come to their own conclusion since I feel it should be overtly clear what it means to me. I don't feel lyndamond actually read past my opening paragraph, though I could be wrong.
I feel too many conclusions are formed by lack of knowledge and much is lost in translation when sarcasm is in effect, as my comment "I would assume my disgust in the "commercial greed of gift giving" is what makes them come to such an ill-conceived conclusion." was perhaps not the best way to address it. Especially using their words and my sarcasm. Though I appreciate you calling this to my attention for my betterment.
Since you always are able to clarify things to me so clearly Kaila, I was hoping you could help me with understanding Ayn Rand's disgust of libertarians to a better degree. I was reading about it myself recently and hadn't taken the opportunity to inquire of you on the subject. Regardless of how that first sentence sounds, no sarcasm was involved.
ok. On another post we can discuss Rand and libertarians. On this post, I accepted your time and effort on the list of films, the common themes and the unique approach. and appreciated it. I accepted the gift of the post. It has value for me. Thank you. I did not read you as any of the labels you were getting accused of. I was not interested in labeling-I just enjoyed the post. Down here in commentville is a rockyroad, pun intended. Most often you get either comments which are offensive(like a football play) and you react or off the charts-ignore or further info needed-which can come off like did you say that? what do you think about this? I am enjoying this post comments and all. tell us how it is roger!
Who said I'm an athiest? Where is this foul creature spreading such nonsense? Perhaps it's only a lack of knowledge or better yet a lack of an education on your part which prevents you from understanding such insignificance.
It has some great quotes, from the dramatic: " Gen. Horatio Gates: Surrender. This revolution is over.
Gen. George Washington: So we surrender. We weigh the pros and cons and reason prevails. But you see, sir, I am an unreasonable man as well as a poor soldier. But you are right. My men are not soldiers. They are lads. Sixteen, seventeen, eighteen. They run away. They fear the Hessians as they fear death. All this is true. Yet they have put their trust in me. They could have deserted. Thousands have. But these lads have not. They remain with me. And I, not you, General Gates, *I* command this army, and if I, a bumbling Virginia farmer, should decide to lead them into Hell, they will follow me into Hell."
To the amusing: " Soldier #1: What are you smoking? Soldier #2: Dried cow dung. Soldier #1: What's it taste like? Soldier #2: Shit. "
Thank you. I believe Stalag 17 would have been common viewing for objectivist, especially with William Holden reservations about the his role as he originally perceived it to be too cynical and selfish.
To list Stalag 17, and totally forget It's A Wonderful Life...is a total 'fail'.
You also 'picked' one of the most repulsive versions of the Christmas Carol ever put on celluloid. Groundhog day all over again....
My idea of uplifting Christmas films does not include a dying Orson Welles longing for his childhood sled....
Happy Christmas, and Merry New's Year!
Judy Garland was not the right choice, and she never convinced me that she was anywhere but in her actual depressed mood....
I only saw two films on the list I liked; Stalag 17 and We're No Angels. Haven't seen the latter in a long while.
http://www.infowars.com/its-a-wonderful-...
We just finished a great supper, and are nursing a couple bottles of Marsala.
I know that you are in a similar mood....
I hope that Santa made you 'happy'!
I feel too many conclusions are formed by lack of knowledge and much is lost in translation when sarcasm is in effect, as my comment "I would assume my disgust in the "commercial greed of gift giving" is what makes them come to such an ill-conceived conclusion." was perhaps not the best way to address it. Especially using their words and my sarcasm. Though I appreciate you calling this to my attention for my betterment.
Since you always are able to clarify things to me so clearly Kaila, I was hoping you could help me with understanding Ayn Rand's disgust of libertarians to a better degree. I was reading about it myself recently and hadn't taken the opportunity to inquire of you on the subject. Regardless of how that first sentence sounds, no sarcasm was involved.
Another good Christmas film I like watching is, "The Crossing" with Jeff Daniels in the lead role, from 2000:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wpC8w0_k...
It has some great quotes, from the dramatic:
" Gen. Horatio Gates: Surrender. This revolution is over.
Gen. George Washington: So we surrender. We weigh the pros and cons and reason prevails. But you see, sir, I am an unreasonable man as well as a poor soldier. But you are right. My men are not soldiers. They are lads. Sixteen, seventeen, eighteen. They run away. They fear the Hessians as they fear death. All this is true. Yet they have put their trust in me. They could have deserted. Thousands have. But these lads have not. They remain with me. And I, not you, General Gates, *I* command this army, and if I, a bumbling Virginia farmer, should decide to lead them into Hell, they will follow me into Hell."
To the amusing:
" Soldier #1: What are you smoking?
Soldier #2: Dried cow dung.
Soldier #1: What's it taste like?
Soldier #2: Shit. "
No, it deals strictly with the crossing of the Delaware and the subsequent attack.
A Christmas Story Extra