Forced Vaccinations to be Decided This Week
I thought this would happen. I'm just surprised it is happening this fast. The proposal was timed with the Brian Wilson (liar) reports of measles at Disneyland. Perhaps that's why. Anyway, SB277 is being debated this week at the State Capitol. This bill forces all children to be vaccinated per an extensive schedule that's in the bill (apart from the CDC schedule but based on it) and that can be modified at any time. It's already pretty extensive. It does away with religious exemptions. Even home-schooled children are subject. Any child that isn't vaccinated per the list on the bill will be classified at truant. CPS and law enforcement will be called in to take the child and vaccinate them. At that point, when do the parents see their child again? Anybody's guess.
Years ago I asked on another Objectivist forum if the members were in favor of forced vaccination. At least half were, to my surprise. The moderator of that forum chimed in with the obvious. But, I am curious what other Objectivists still think of this concept. I am pretty sure it will be enacted pretty soon. Best of luck to you and the young ones in your families.
Years ago I asked on another Objectivist forum if the members were in favor of forced vaccination. At least half were, to my surprise. The moderator of that forum chimed in with the obvious. But, I am curious what other Objectivists still think of this concept. I am pretty sure it will be enacted pretty soon. Best of luck to you and the young ones in your families.
Previous comments...
Bring your unvaccinated kid anywhere [home schooled even] and if he/she has measels and passes it on YOU should be liable for the damage done to every other child/person.
When "My rights" infringes on the rights of others,by NOT vaccinating your brat, you are a danger to society.
This is one time I feel government control IS the right thing to do. Forcing the self-righteous parents to vaccinate is constructive, logical, practical and efficient.
If I had a day care center, DON'T bring your unvaccinated kid to my premises.
Measels KILLS and you don't get autism from vaccinating.
Get a life and think of your kids safety FIRST and not your [in this case] selfish pride in damanding YOUR rights superceding and overshadowing your own flesh & blood --- YOUR CHILDS LIFE.
This morning I took the family in to update their passports. I needed to pay about $180 cash to the lady at the post office. As I pulled my wallet out she barked, "If you don't have the cash I'll just rip up your paperwork and we'll start over later." Oh, I had the cash. AND, on every $100 that passes thru my wallet I write, "Who is John Galt?"
that, or they're afraid to ask us.
Once again, thanks. I sincerely hope that the little ones in your lives have great health and a strong start to their own lives. They only get one shot.
If you want to paint your brain on the highway, or let your kids die of horrible preventable disease, well, I guess it's chlorine in the gene pool.
This is not the proper role of government in a free society.
I think that parents should discuss each of the vaccines' necessities and appropriateness for them/their kids as individuals. If they decide to skip a vaccine and the child gets sick, they should keep them away from other children anyway--and not get threatening calls from the school about truancy, which only encourages attendance while sick.
A little research will turn up how many of these diseases were significantly reduced prior to the massive vaccine campaigns, by 1) careful monitoring of immigrants' health, prior to admission to the country; 2) by increased sanitation and nutrition, thanks to capitalism; and 3) by increasing public awareness and gaining a better understanding of how diseases were spread. Kids who get many of these diseases in our country now do not suffer the same long-term effects as those in 3rd world countries, where nutrition is inadequate and sanitation, unheard-of.
One last thing...If the people making these decisions to put something directly into your/your kids' bloodstream really, truly cared about your health, why would they not only be allowing unvaccinated and actively diseased people into our country--but actually knowingly placing them throughout communities, without a care to the rest of us?
That one truth is all that need be said! Yet being under GOVERNment, which IS Force and (by the definition of "govern") cannot be otherwise, mankind is condemned to eternal debate about just what IS the "proper role" of tyranny?
Does not the NAP Axiom apply to everything and everyone?
http://no-ruler.net/nap-axiom/
So who really wants or "needs" to be GOVERNed?
Is that not the basic underlying principle of our Gulch dream?
HOWEVER, That ought not relieve the responsibility for the possible effects of not being vaccinated and supposedly infecting another. So then we enter the jungle of legalese!
So then appears the problem of Truth -- we so often don't have it, or often cannot know what IS the truth, especially these days!
Things other than vaccines protect us from illness. At the same time, some illness is part of existence. People are very afraid. They want the government to protect them.
When I was a child in 1971 there was one vaccine suggested by the CDC prior to kindergarten. Now, 35 vaccinations are required before kindergarten. Since 1985 when the schedule started really being augmented autism increased by 13,000%. Meanwhile, the vaccine schedule has never been tested regarding developmental disabilities. I know this because I've spent almost a decade looking for such a study. It doesn't exist. I am opposed to the use of force until the proper studies are done.
And, FWIW there is only one other environmental suspect that occurred during that 13,000% increase. It hasn't been tested either.
Autism grew right along with childhood asthma, something I think is also worthy of more study.
I could get into the science of vaccines but that seems to just get people wound up. How much adjuvant is safe? Well, we don't know. This thing is a real Pandora's box...
So, if one is in favor of force - how many vaccines are too many? The facet I'm asking about Mamaemma is one of "how many?" If the schedule expands to 100 vax by the age of 4 do we swat team families and take their kids? How deep down the hole do we go? Are we already too deep? This can't be answered here...yet, it's worthy of discussion.
It all boils down to the principle of the proper use of government in a free society. (And when you say government, you must think "force" and be sure to add "at the point of a gun," because that is ALWAYS implied when laws are enacted.)
Once you placed that principle (proper use of government) as your foundation, then you can talk about the concretes--the most rational way to go about vaccines and other options for disease prevention, their safety, how schools should decide policy, etc.
Thank you for highlighting that principle--you illustrated perfectly how the pragmatic approach can end up in disaster, on this one topic alone.
http://vaccines.procon.org/view.resource...
How do you get to 35?
And, SB277 is being amended to give a child up to 15 vaccines during their kindergarten year as a "catch-up" schedule. 15 in one year. Uh, no thanks.
How many is too many? How young is too young? Answer: we don't know. That's my original point... I don't know. You don't know. Nobody knows. Because the studies haven't been done to come to a conclusion.
This list of vaccines they have added is absurd. Diphtheria and Polio, yes; Small pox if needed due to an outbreak; yes. Otherwise, people should be free to deny these poisons in their bloodstream.
If you want to drink the koolaid propaganda from Big Pharma, inject away!
Other people are not obligated to protect you from your vaccines failure at the expense of the side, or actually. direct effects.
Have you heard of “Measles parties?”
I hear you that you had them and got through them, no problem, but now we are learning that viruses are not eradicated by the immune system, but only suppressed. So now we have shingles affecting a lot of older people, and it can be quite debilitating. These viruses hang around in the body for a lifetime, and we don't know yet all the later effects they may have.
A good example: the herpes vaccine, which is taken to prevent cervical cancer, which is directly related to genital herpes.
Edit:clarity
I am just saying that the issue is more complicated than you are presenting here.
I don’t understand forcing the chicken pox vaccination on anyone. It’s not usually life-threatening. It does have it’s risk for unborn children, but even so...forcing school-age kids to get vaccinated for chicken pox? My kids had to in our state when the vaccine was new. I grumbled but complied. Too many pregnant teachers if you ask me. Lol.
Measles and mumps on the other hand can have some rather nasty consequences including death in some cases, so...I’m okay with the MMR schedule of vaccinations. Iv’e never been drawn into to this debate so I don’t really have a stance.
Great ass covering, doc! How are you at brown nosing?
Cui bono.