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Could this be our Gulch?

Posted by terrycan 9 years, 10 months ago to Culture
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Pitcairn Island was made famous by the novel "Mutiny on the Bounty." Imagine the possibilities. Britain might be happy to grant it independence. Imagine a few nuclear reactors. A small ship yard and a steel mill. Some high rise living and it could work. We could truly hide in plain sight. How would you develope the island?
SOURCE URL: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/pitcairnislands/11418280/Why-will-nobody-move-to-Pitcairn-the-Pacific-island-with-free-land.html


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  • Posted by Gardenlady1 9 years, 9 months ago
    The current inhabitants would object and there is no room to expand. Some place warm sounds like a good idea. I am getting real tired of shoveling global warming. Small hydro, solar and wind generators are off the grid options for power. Another idea is to design homes so that they are more energy efficient.
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  • Posted by macnuth 9 years, 9 months ago
    Pitcairn Island would not be a good choice. The people who live there vote to include any one who wishes to move there. You can not just move there if you so desire, you have to request to be allowed to move there. It is very remote and too small for the number of people who will want to move there. Most, but not all the people who live there are Seventh-Day-Adventist, they worship God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son and Creator, and the Holy Spirit or the still small voice each of us have or had if you have not pushed it totally out of your life. They like their lifestyle and are careful of changes they allow to their way of life.

    I think if you really want to build a real live Gulch, then the idea a retaking control of an Island like Australia away from the new world order would be more in reality. They are the real problem for the whole world.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago
      Pitcairn is not the best choice. This thread generated a lot of discussion. I would enjoy a thread about your community. It sounds very promising. Is there any skiing nearby?
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  • Posted by aphelms 9 years, 9 months ago
    Logistically speaking, Pitcairn would be a nightmare. One of the main reasons the Bounty crew selected the island was that it had no easy anchorage. I don't think it has the harbor facilities necessary to bring in the heavy machinery that would be required to build the infrastructure needed to make the community self sustaining are available. It would require building an adequate harbor and then large runways for heavy cargo aircraft to accommodate the influxes of material, equipment, and manpower to build up the island. Nuclear power would invite unwanted attention from government agencies. Solar power might be a viable alternative. Pitcairn is not rich in mineral resources. Raw materials would have to be imported to make a steel mill and shipyard viable. However, the location is excellent and could be made into a viable community provided there is a lot of effort and capital to bring the project about.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 9 years, 10 months ago
    You would still need a small freighter for delivering supplies from New Zealand. Looking at a 1200 ton vessel converted in a Chilean Shipyard. The vessel will have two 5K hp Cat Diesels driving through individual gearboxes a pair each of 1k hp water jets.That should drive the vessel in excess of 12 knots. Also, having the hull wrapped in Kevlar phenolic panels. The Bridge and cargo covers would be modified to water-tight design. Salt water proof Solar Panels on the roof the Bridge with freshwater rinse systems. This would provide back power to a silicone deep cycle battery bank. A special fuel bladder for diesel fuel tank as a precaution against rupture.
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  • Posted by katrinam41 9 years, 10 months ago
    A Gulch... the thought. Of sharing space with others who believe in personal responsibility and logic... but right now it can't happen. While we plan and discuss, why not follow one very important thought from AS? Why not a once yearly gathering to meet, exchange ideas? Each year the "vacation" could be in a promising location here in the states to start with, to give as many as possible the chance to attend.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 10 months ago
    Hmm, lots of interest I see in a galt's gulch. That is encouraging. Maybe more of a galt's resort where like minded people could go on vacation would make more sense. As to living there, its cool, but I think one would have to be a computer programmer of sorts where the customers would be in the other parts of the world, at least until an infrastructure could be set up on the island so it was kind of self-sufficient. I saw a documentary one time on Pitcairn, and it was kind of hard to get to and land on. I would certainly buy a time share and go there on vacation and be around other libertarian oriented people.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 10 months ago
    There are an abundance of islands in the South Pacific. The vast ocean has more unused islands than Magellan ever could begin to imagine. Based on Terrycan's scenario, within a few years the first of many survival problems will begin to appear, just one of which is the need to control the birthrate. Imposing ZPG (Zero Population growth) would be out of the question. I see as the greatest possible conflicts not be so much ideology as territorial expansion. So many things to consider, so difficult to compensate for them. The problem with free individuals is their hatred of robotic lock-step. If you have 10,000 people, you will have at least 8,000 different opinions and that is a conservative (No pun intended) estimation.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 10 months ago
    Water supply is probably a serious issue...

    It's never sustained more than 200 people, so all infrastructure would be needed from scratch, and at the same time, about the most difficult place on earth to get raw materials to.

    I don't see it happening. We'd be better off with a floating oil platform type idea I've seen (but anchored closer to civilization).

    On the plus, food would be easy to grow -but if water is scarce, it gets tough... hydroponics are now known to scale well.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 10 months ago
    I spent much of my youth on an island - Whidbey Island. Still love the place very much, but haven't been there for quite some time. I watched it get bought up by the wealthy over about 15 years (beaches became off limits to my brother and I and our fishing poles), then watched it get boarded up after the crisis several years ago.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 10 months ago
    Have a look
    google map at -25.069001,-130.106535

    Job may be available:
    "The only currently qualified high voltage electricity technician on the Pitcairn island, who manages the electricity grid, has now reached the retirement age."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Is...
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    • Posted by RobertFl 9 years, 10 months ago
      No radio station - that could be a fun past time.
      Internet is 512kb/s
      As long as you don't need netflix, that's doable. Might be able to improve on that.

      Provide a secure/private email service, and charge outsiders for it, and you might have a revenue stream. Charge in Bitcoins.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 10 months ago
        Internet 512kb/s is shared by the entire population, not per user.
        "The Pitcairn Miscellany reports that despite the bandwidth recently being doubled to 512 kbit/s this is not per user but is in fact shared between all families on the island making normal internet use extremely difficult."

        This is another area requiring either lower expectations or significant capital expenditure.
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        • Posted by Cocobaby61 9 years, 9 months ago
          Seems like it would be smarter to consider the internet part of the infrastructure. It's the best way to stay in touch with the world, compete in the free market, etc.
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        • Posted by RobertFl 9 years, 10 months ago
          As long as you don't want a lot of graphics, and are fine with just text news. That streams pretty good.
          You can also go Satellite. It might not be too bad or expensive
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          • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 10 months ago
            I think the current service is satellite.
            I am likely less tolerant of wasted bandwidth than most others here. Many web pages these days will not even work properly without megabytes of image garbage. When I see a page loading slowly I watch the megabyte counter that appears on my browser. It is rare that I see a page that loads without megabytes and megabytes of bandwidth wasting uncompressed images. (The Gulch is exceptionally good.) Getting broadband is not automatic for a small audience. New Zealand has bandwidth limits on nearly all accounts because they are 'off the beaten path.' That is a first world country with 3 million customers and they could not justify an upgraded cable for the coutry recently. A mid ocean Atlantean settlement of a few thousand will not have adequate service unless much better technology is developed for remote areas.

            Do I think that a broadband internet is vital for Atlantis? No, but without it residents and businesses may find it much harder to compete.
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