Can a dedicated member of the Gulch support Obama?
Posted by mdk2608 9 years, 9 months ago to Philosophy
Just wanted to solicit comments and feedback for us to think about.
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For instance, if Obama ever faced real justice in front of a military tribunal for treason, I would support him in his assertion that others should be on trial with him.
One of the key elements of Good Humor is The Surprise Twist At The End of The Sentence, and your comment hit that one out of the park for that aspect of 'funniness'!
And I don't think anyone's disagreeing with you on the gist of your answer, either!
:)
My not funny answer is, "Sure, if they display the same level of cognitive dissonance that most of society seems to display these days." You can have a short conversation with nearly any person and discover two ideas/issues/concepts that are in direct conflict with each other but which the person deeply believes.
Some person asked the question "Why does California seem to be able to pick on crazy women to serve in congress".
:)
I'd always assumed Alzheimer's or generic senility.
Outside of Terminal Ugliness, that woman has some of the weirdest ideas I've ever heard...
Written for Obama's alleged birthday, 2012,
http://papapossum.blogspot.com/2012/08/h...
The unexpected is the essence of humor whether humor be intended or not.
My immediate follow-up reaction? It is sad that this country's twice-elected Liar-In-Chief would be so corrupt that anyone would even think that his birth date would be suspect.
As well as his administration performance
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I concur. It's common to hear people say, and even to say myself, "That stupid piece of 5h1t! Is he out of his mind?!" That's just a slightly lazy but nevertheless ubiquitous usage of English. There are two choices when listening to Obama! and other collectivists absurd utterances. 1) They are possessed of an unnaturally low IQ, or 2) They know full well the implications of what they said but they're evil. There must be some 1.5) They truly believe what they say but don't understand the implications.
The 1's are sad but they're only dangerous when they vote or breed. The 2's are always dangerous and should be dealt with like all evil is dealt with. The 1.5's are nearly as dangerous as the 2's, they're just without the diabolical level of evil. I'm not sure what to do about the 1.5's.
[It’s difficult to get elected to the Presidency being stupid,]
It's not as hard as it should be. I give you G. Bush the lesser. I think he was actually pretty dumb. I give you Dan Quayle, again, actually pretty dumb. I give you Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin, both of whom I believe are too dumb to be allowed to live alone. Given the tools and the opportunity they'd be eligible for the Darwin Award.
[therefore I believe it is intentional based on his philosophy growing up, his associations with known communists, and his Islamic background.]
Yes. I believe that his upbringing left him an extremely bitter, jealous racist who was able to take advantage of the systems put in place by self-loathing, guilt-ridden middle-class white guys to promote himself into the metaphoric stratosphere. He's very skilled at hiding his true nature, like a sociopath. He was also lucky to have met a woman who was just much a bitter, jealous racist but who also possessed the skills to get actual jobs that paid her gobs of money.
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:)
Enjoy!
Vinegar’s water-soluble & mixes with water quite well, just as Statism mixes easily with Objectivism, creating acidic-tasting water in the first case, and the mixed economy that’s presently destroying our civilization on the other.
Supporting ANY advocate of Statism is entirely “Anti-Gulch”. While the politics of Objectivism never progressed beyond the mythical ‘limited government’ concept, the Gulch was totally voluntaryist … NO State in the Gulch.
"(somehow limited to property protection: military, police & courts)." The somehow, the underlying philosophy, is explained in AR's non-fiction.
Framers of the Constitution. While that fact is obvious from observation of the countless failed attempts over the last 6,000 years, but it still took me over 40 years of study, research, observation and practice to accept that inconvenient truth. I did not want to give up the idea of a Constitutionally-limited Republic.
But it’s a utopian myth, TL.
I’m in agreement with most of the Objectivist positions, ‘tho I’ve never completely understood her Esthetics and, after 40+ years of study, I FINALLY graduated from her minarchist limited-Constitutionally-limited government to the more consistent and rational anarcho-capitalist position, which we’re presently calling the Win-Win Free-Market Stateless Society.
Are any of y’all familiar with the work of Andrew Galambos & Jay Snelson?
:-)
But the economic model described by Objectivism is Capitalism. Statism is just one facet of collectivism and is therefore refuted as a valid model.
Of course it is, TL. Just calling the State "Government" and pretending that the power of the State, once granted or seized, can ever be "limited" does not make advocating such an entity non-Statist.
I vigorously disagree!
Statism: a political system in which the state has substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs.
It appears, as I claimed, that statism is a philosophy of the proper role of government, or suspension bridges, take your pick.
The existence of a State doesn't make it Statist any more than the existence of a hedgehog makes it a cellist.
Unless you have achieved consensus among speakers of English for a brand new definition of Statist, your assertion is incorrect.
(But that's just me; I could be wrong.)
But I'm not.
Barack H. Obama is the worst statist ever to win election as President. He might even be the worst statist ever to stand for election as President--for I wonder whether even George S. McGovern was a much a statist as he was.
But worse than this, he is deliberately leading America, and the rest of the world, into a Long Night of totalitarian savagery.
Or do you look forward to the kind of total collapse Rand envisioned in AS?
Speaking of which--but I'll submit another question.
In no way did I mean to imply that I LIKED that scenario or preferred it... but that in its likely inevitability, it might be the Best We Should Expect.
Better, now?
By the way: I did submit a question on whether the producers shortchanged us on AS3 by relegating Eddie Willers to a mere footnote: Ragnar had him picked up (where?!?) after they rescued John Galt.
As a self-confessed "Eddie" I find this disappointing. I'm no titan of industry. I'm competent and provide value for my employer, similar to Eddie. Yet, in the vision of AR, I am not worthy of entrance to the Gulch. John A wanted to correct this in the movie, but it came across as an afterthought. There are many of us who are Eddie's. We count and matter.
Robbie... yep, I realized a long time ago that I would never be a Hank or Dagny-type of Leader in Industry, but I also realized that I could make lots of good contributions because of how My Mind operates.
And I got lots of shit from many managers along the way because they were the Bad Taggarts in the companies I worked for.
Having a few bright, receptive people around kept me in industry and reasonably content for about 34 years! But most of the time I had to sneak my insights past the Bad-Taggarts of the corporations. Part of the challenge and fun was figuring out how to do that 'for the good of the Company' as well as for my self-esteem.
There were lots of fun times like that; just way too few of them. The lousy managers always blamed ME for 'not communicating right' to the folks I was trying to help.
After a while, I realized that it was like I was transmitting high-quality FM signals into a sea of AM receivers. And you know what comes out of the speaker of an AM receiver bathed in clean FM signals, right?..... <nothing>.
When they offered me a nice retirement package, I Galted outta there like a shot.
Such is life.
Got to meet and shake the hands of Dave Packard and Bill Hewlett (and most of the CEOs after that until around 2002, too) and caught the peak (and decline) of HP. I witnessed tons of dirt during my 24 years before that mast...
Then there was the 'luck' of having a mom with some innate stock-picking skill that paid for my college career plus beating 'stay out of debt' into my head during my formative years. Many Boomers as well as the gangs that followed fell into the Immediate Gratification Through The Over-Use of Plastic phenomenon and they suffered greatly as a result.
Some day I hope to write memoirs as a contribution/legacy...
But right now, I'd rather be in my wood-turning shop.
"Any man or woman who is willing to think. All those who know that man’s life must be guided by reason, those who value their own life and are not willing to surrender it to the cult of despair in the modern jungle of cynical impotence, just as they are not willing to surrender the world to the Dark Ages and the rule of the brutes.".
Aligning with and supporting the current culture of the US to take from one group and give to another, to redefine words so that they may not be uttered without fear of persecution, allowing gangs of agency rogues to terrorize private citizens in their own homes for breaking laws no one knows were made, forcing people to buy products they do not want....is no Objectivist.
Not sure why the other comments are so long. :-)
However, it is far from understandable, or believable, how anyone who understands Rand's various threads of thought can possible support someone who personifies the evil she focused her stories on.
A is A.
Punishing the wealthy (that are wealthy because of honest ability) by giving the fruits of their labor to others that have done nothing to deserve the reward would raise the hairs on Ms. Rand's neck. Her saying that no one deserves the rewards of my labor without consent doesn't fit with spreading the wealth the way Obama is doing it.
Also, at this moment in time i find it very disconcerting that anyone supports him even the black community.
Too many people still vote for his color and his pretty speaking ability. They don't busy themselves to find out what is really going on and if they do, many do not have the ability to understand what is happening and the consequence and also the unexpected consequences.
Iraq might want to think long and hard about that though. Israel has a philosophy of two eyes for an eye and I believe that they have more nukes that Iran will have.
I don't see how anyone with rational reasoning ability could support the GOP either.
I for one have begun that process. I'm now on our county Republican Party board, as are several fellow TEA Party types. We will be working to recruit and support, and get elected candidates that support liberty and are not merely emblazoned with an R. I encourage you to do the same.
commissioned into the usaf. . . I have behaved
accordingly. . he has not, as he has violated the
constitution frequently during his tenure. . apparently,
his university study of the constitution was aimed
at its circumvention. . . he has succeeded.
the man is a traitor. . I wish that he would retire
to a south pacific island with a golf course and
no communication with the world whatsoever. -- j
The short answer is no -- agreeing that others should be in the dock with him, is not the same as supporting him.
Makes me wonder what she did. I can tell you they would not move to take away the license of a black female without good reason.
Also, Obama voluntarily surrendered his license as well. He lied on the application, saying he had never been known by any other name.
So both our president and first lady (holding my nose) have no license to practice law.
Michelle Obama is really a man! :) An updated version is also on you tube.
no. support.
and this "support" includes actual material support as well. hungry? cold? wet? go through that door there, on the left where you see the woman with the "Tyranny Response Team" shirt on, with the holstered .45.
NEXT?
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