I'd like to hear them say any of that to their imam. I just don't trust them. I think they only pretend to be converted, or interested, or understanding.
On a numbers basis, we're in more danger from our own police and our government than we are from fundamentalists of any stripe.
We are really facing a fight against savages that we've helped create. We financed and put into place the oil based tyrannies of the MidEast that have generated much of the savagery.
I agree that education is the answer, but they must educate themselves. The Persians and some Arabs were at one time, highly educated and were tolerant. What happened?
Those who want the education come to me to get it. I gladly give them that education in exchange for as good a shrug job as I could ever hope for. I can only hope that I am raising up the next generation of Muslim leaders. I certainly have given them the tools to be such leaders.
Or Jews, or Buddhists, or Krishna's, etc. This is a religious war, and even the non-religious need to understand that or perish due to their obstinacy.
How is this a religious war? Islam is an ideology. It blankets every aspect of life, not just religion..EVERYTHING. They are anti-freedom on every level. If you don't believe what they believe then they want you dead.
No group on earth has ever been able to defeat an ideology or a religion. The only thing that works is to isolate them and let them handle their own problems.
What am I not getting? I have said that they must be wiped out, unless they change their fundamental ideology. What more do you want? The fact that I pray for there to be an Islamic Martin Luther to reform their religion to one that accepts the beliefs of others? You want to wipe out all but the atheists?
How do we win? By not hurting their feelings? I don't thing that's going to work. They don't HAVE feelings and they aren't offended by anything anyway...they want you to COMPLY...or die.
Everything we do and everything we are is anathema to them, because we have not submitted to Allah. That is just what is required, and all that is required. We haven't done it, so we have committed a capital offense; I use "capital" intentionally, because it's Latin root is "caput, capitis -head".
True. And I certainly will not challenge your assertion. But does that mean that you should nonetheless poke them in the eye? For what purpose? To make yourself feel superior?
Your first premise is off, Robbie. It is the cartoonists intention to draw a cartoon. It is NOT his intention to poke someone in the eye. If someone feels poked in the eye, it is not the fault of the cartoonist. No one is in charge of another's feelings.
But the intention of the "contest?" What is that, other than to stick a finger in the eye of Muslims?
I think there is sufficient cause to caricature the religion, as is there of Christianity. What I don't agree with is intentionally being rude and antagonistic.
A piece of art is not a poke in the eye...it's freedom of speech. Robbie...there is NO way to NOT offend them. They hate us because we exist, not because we can draw pictures.
I replied to you with a comment that was meant to counter your comment, but it could be taken the wrong way by those who did not understand the full context - similar to what happened to Hiraghm. Since I don't want to suffer the same fate, I deleted that comment. However, you are mightily wrong here, and if I could, I'd demonstrate to you how wrong you truly are.
wow..that was a long winded reply that said nothing, really. You replied then deleted it and then told me you deleted it and alluded to it being a very good reply, but you were scared someone might take it the wrong way (again with the fear of offending..gah)... so..thanks for the reply that I'll never see... and can't properly reply to... but if I could have replied, it would have been stellar!.
"Posted by Robbie53024 0 minutes ago Ayn Rand was nothing more than a jew whore who wrote a book to support her jew hero's who merely loved money over their fellow man. That's the only reason that you are on this site, as a jew lover. "
I probably shouldn't have added this comment, but there's no "full context" that excuses the thought.
Robbie, you wanted to poke me in the eye so badly that this is what you resorted to? Wow...and I thought I was disappointed in your before... :( You've set a new bar.
"However, you are mightily wrong here, and if I could, I'd demonstrate to you how wrong you truly are."
Would that happen to be: "Posted by Robbie53024 0 minutes ago Ayn Rand was nothing more than a jew whore who wrote a book to support her jew hero's who merely loved money over their fellow man. That's the only reason that you are on this site, as a jew lover. "
Although you try to justify a "taken the wrong way by those who did not understand the full context", I can't picture a context that justifies that type of argument. Although you and I often cross swords in the realm of regions arguments, the type of thought process that could generate that statement is not someone that I care to discuss anything with,
No, I don't think that we can. Their philosophy is one that says you either convert or die. That is contrary to nearly all other religions. Unless they have some sort of reformation, it is either they die, or the rest of us do. I choose not to die.
We can isolate them, blockade the entire area and let them handle their own problems. How many real problems have we had from the N Koreans since they've been essentially isolated. They stay out of our way.
As long as they assimilate and don't start murdering people, I have no problem with them. I'm more frightened by our police and government than by them and the statistics seem to hold to that fear.
I'll give you +1 for that, but I don't equate a software or data attack with a true danger to this country. I'm afraid that we have a much worse record in this context than does N Korea or any other nation, even against US citizens.
A software or data attack could be far more crippling than conventional attacks now. It would not be all that farfetched to see an attack on our power grid during a really cold or hot stretch having a very large effect. If I were a terrorist, I would do a cyberattack. It would be so much easier to coordinate than the purchase and release of either conventional or nuclear weapons.
I have been right in the path of the existence of Muslims for 17 years and have successfully converted many to the benefits of free enterprise. If one of them decides that my existence is in their way, then I am prepared to die, rather than convert. If that is the way it is, then so be it.
My life is worth fighting for, but only if I can live. A life in a caliphate would be a fate worse than death for me, let alone for my wife and daughters.
That's why we need to NOT be silent NOW. Be prepared to fight right now...with words. Trying to skirt and not offend is doing NOTHING, but inviting the caliphate here.
Trust me. I am not silent, and I am effective with regard to Muslims in my own way. If Atlantis ever does need an ambassador to Muslim countries, I am sure that I will be that person.
I'm sorry to say that you have much more hope for their conversion than I do. I have no hope for it actually... I don't think they're ambassadorable. :( And they are experts at playing people like an infidel fiddle.
I have no hope for their conversion to Objectivism or away from Islam, but I have successfully converted many of them to free enterprise and to the economic message of AR. That is as much as I can hope for.
I will not line up for a beheading, but if that is what it comes to, then I would rather be beheaded than live in a world where I would have to submit.
Well..it better be in it's final stages of planning right now and on another planet. Sorry, I'm being a downer...I just have strong beliefs about this topic and I don't think anyone takes it seriously enough.
I have a fan..his name is Robbie. He doesn't like to get down voted without an explanation but it's okay to give down votes without an explanation I guess. Unless it's not him...but since we don't have a hand hover feature showing who voted how I'm only speculating since he admitted as much earlier on another comment that got down voted.
"The lineup of Christians" Some extremists have a special hatred for atheists. The tell themselves that if you believe in a higher power of some sort, it's not as bad as believing only in reason and evidence.
We are really facing a fight against savages that we've helped create. We financed and put into place the oil based tyrannies of the MidEast that have generated much of the savagery.
It is the cartoonists intention to draw a cartoon.
It is NOT his intention to poke someone in the eye.
If someone feels poked in the eye, it is not the fault of the cartoonist.
No one is in charge of another's feelings.
I think there is sufficient cause to caricature the religion, as is there of Christianity. What I don't agree with is intentionally being rude and antagonistic.
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"Posted by Robbie53024 0 minutes ago
Ayn Rand was nothing more than a jew whore who wrote a book to support her jew hero's who merely loved money over their fellow man. That's the only reason that you are on this site, as a jew lover. "
I probably shouldn't have added this comment, but there's no "full context" that excuses the thought.
Wow...and I thought I was disappointed in your before... :( You've set a new bar.
Would that happen to be:
"Posted by Robbie53024 0 minutes ago
Ayn Rand was nothing more than a jew whore who wrote a book to support her jew hero's who merely loved money over their fellow man. That's the only reason that you are on this site, as a jew lover. "
Although you try to justify a "taken the wrong way by those who did not understand the full context", I can't picture a context that justifies that type of argument. Although you and I often cross swords in the realm of regions arguments, the type of thought process that could generate that statement is not someone that I care to discuss anything with,
Goodbye.
Some extremists have a special hatred for atheists. The tell themselves that if you believe in a higher power of some sort, it's not as bad as believing only in reason and evidence.