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AmericanSoapBoxPress
Custom Objectivist Fridge Magnets& Coasters

Go Browsing and find something that makes you want to get a soap box of your own.
I found:
What's Yours is Yours
What's Mine is Mine
The Second-Hander believes what's Yours and Mine are His.
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  • Posted by americansoapboxpress 9 years, 10 months ago
    To "let's shrug"

    I "slept on" your argument that "moochers" should be used in place of "secondhanders" in quote which we have been discussing.

    I agree. General principle share between the two aside, the quote with "secondhanders" could be confusing.

    I am removing that quote from my site until I can change the word "secondhanders" to "moochers".


    On a related note...when used the term "spiritual" I did not intend the common usage of "body of light" but the collections of intangible values governing individuals' characters and choices.



    Thanks for pointing out this potential problem. Let me know if you spot any more.
    ---- americansoapboxpress

    Here are my disciplines/ lessons for today:

    "When in doubt, check your premises"
    ----Ayn Rand



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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 10 months ago
    An old saying paraphrased from England of all places describing the Labor Party attitude "I'm all right Jack. What's your is mine and what's mine is me own." And one day the UK woke up to 0ver 50% of the population on the dole (welfare) as all the producers left the country.

    There are very few who kept their wealth in England or resided there full time. John Lennon, Ringo Starr come immediately to mind in the arena of instant wealth. One of the few that remained and presumably paid the confiscatory tax rates is Bryan May lead guitar of Queen who went on to become a Professor of Astrophysics and University Chancellor.




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  • Posted by americansoapboxpress 9 years, 10 months ago
    I welcome any critique anyone will give about my site, it is a chance for me to validate, correct and advance.

    See my objectivism inspired website. Tell me what you like, want or don't want( for medium, not all want fridge magnets)

    etsy.com/shop/americansoapboxpress
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  • Posted by americansoapboxpress 9 years, 10 months ago
    About the zenocide quote

    Yes, overpopulation as a threat is absurd, but this quote is intended for people who believe it. Many do. I wanted to exercise the my sentiment/ the fact that for human beings, "reason is always the answer. Period". So I gave what I consider to be a reasonable alternative to the widely believed agenda of some groups to reduce the earths population. I am not of a razor wit for Humour so writing a scathingly mocking quote was not an option.
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  • Posted by americansoapboxpress 9 years, 10 months ago
    To the person questioning the propriety of my using "second-hander" in place of " moocher" in my quote "What's mine is mine, what's yours is yours ..the secondhander believes that what is yours and mine are his".

    Here is my response :

    Spiritual second handers tend to rely on getting a sense of self esteem from
    The perception others have of them. Through others'efforts of forming an opinion of them(preferably a good one) the spiritual secondhanders are deriving the benefit of self esteem through the mental labours of others.
    Same principle as the inconsiderate woman or man eating food, sleeping indoors and drawing life through the efforts of a benefactor who is not repaid neither in money nor in assistance via chores of any kind.

    For my quote, I took artistic license in devising a " material" secondhander" as one who achieves values by benefitting from the labours of others. My usage in the in the quote in question is accurate.

    If you like, think of it like this, a moocher is after your physical goods , a secondhander is after unearned self-esteem/ spiritual goods, they are both refusing to interface with reality directly for some value they seek.

    referring to a spiritual moocher and a material secondhander Is not inaccurate on these terms.



    *side note
    whether a person deceives others into thinking he/ she is great/deserving so he/she can fake self esteem in the light of admiration shinning out the eyes of their victims or whether the person simply is great or otherwise deserving of esteem but hasn't the courage to claim it and so depends on others to remind him/ her of his greatness ,personally I don't make a distinction. Both to me are of one kind "spiritual Secondhanders"
    I am saying this because above, for some, may seem unclear.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 10 months ago
      To me this seems a little over-the-top. If everyone around you has one perception of you and you have another, yours is unlikely to be doing you much good.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 10 months ago
    I just hope the things are not made in China. Sorry
    to be so cynical, but I've lived in the world awhile
    now.
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    • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 10 months ago
      I've been around the sun quite a few times, myself, but as a free-market capitalist, I have been known to make the argument about "buy American" or "buy Local" to not be very convincing to me...

      A few decades ago I was in the market for a new car and our local City Fathers had started a campaign of "Buy Local", meaning, 'support our City's merchants.'

      I informed them that I'd love to go along with that, but with the budget that I had available and the kind of automobile I had chosen to meet my needs, there was only one powertrain combination that was satisfactory to me.

      One was sold by a Chevy dealer IN our town; the other sold by a Buick dealer but was a Japanese manufacturer.

      I closely examined the specs on each car and compared features and the Japanese model was WAY ahead of the GM one in many, many areas.

      So I bought the Japanese version and apologized (really 'informed') the City Fathers of the reasons for my decision.

      On a next larger scale, the Buy Local 'logic' can or should be extended to either larger OR smaller circles.... if it's logical on a city level, is it just as smart on a county or state level?

      If I want corn flakes and my State doesn't grow much corn and when Local Farmers Do, they use it for animal feed and it never reaches the cereal manufacturers, What Should I Do? Stop eating corn flakes?

      And at the Country Level, I LOVE blueberries in my cottage cheese or yogurt breakfast bowl. But in the winter in NC, there Just Aren't Very Many Locally-Grown blueberries around in February.

      On the other hand, the 'models' from Argentina and Chile are bigger, plumper and sweeter than the Locally-Grown are at ANY time of year... even the "locally-grown" California versions.

      So some of my dollars ship off to Chile or Argentina to possibly better the lives of ME AND some unknown farmers down there.

      And, as one of my financial gurus points out, if you draw the circle Large Enough, it encompasses the Entire World, and as money AND energy are 'conserved,' money moves ALL around the world and rarely keeps collecting in ANY one country, state, city or village.

      Ah, hell... let's not get into another religious discussion again, ok, and that's what this will become. I apologize.

      And I will continue to buy the best blueberries available at my local market any time of year.

      And I SHOP locally because to drive all over hell and such looking for cheaper or 'local' blueberries costs me money I conclude does not return me any better results. :)
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      • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 10 months ago
        And God would say... Just had to get it in.

        My future father-in-law was very surprised when I first arrived at his house, driving my Toyota Celica. He said he thought I was much more patriotic than that. I responded that I was much more free-market capitalist than that.
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        • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 10 months ago
          One of my high school crushes' mother nearly drove off the road when I told her I'd like to have a VW Bug for my car. She was giving me a ride to the local Jewish Community Pool...
          "How Could You Say That?!" was her attitude, and my reply was, "well, it's inexpensive and economical, easy to park... "... and I don't carry the same anti-German attitude she did. I was and am 'anti-Nazi and THEIR 'attitudes' and actions, but I could separate the two in my mind and emotions. I had trouble 'understanding' why she apparently couldn't.
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 10 months ago
        Unfortunately d($)/dt is much greater than 0, so money is not "conserved". Otherwise I agree with you.
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        • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 10 months ago
          Yes, d$/dt IS greater than zero, but I've always thought that a good measure might be to 'print enough money to keep the total proportional to something meaningful, like population or GDP' if there's any sense to that, even.
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          • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 10 months ago
            It is possible to "make money", so d$/dt does not have to be a zero sum game. However, when a government prints money that is not 100% backed (as opposed to fractional reserve banking) by valuable metals, then the net effect is to punish savings, investment, and achievement. The other net effect is to reward those who do not save, invest, or achieve. Printing of fiat money may be the primary method of redistribution of wealth nowadays, even more than taxes.
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            • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 10 months ago
              j, that's one of the aspects of 'economics' that I've never understood... Why does the backing by 'valuable metals' (or any other tangible) seem to be The Criteria for Stability of a Currency?

              Some (probably simplistic) videos on YouTube seemed to imply that fractional reserves held by banks should actually work pretty well for everyone involved (i.e., 'everyone'!).

              Again, it seems as if the commercial and private Banks can create a workable system under fractional reserves, but when a National Bank gets involved, things get mucked up.

              I'd love to understand this issue better. Got any links?
              Thanks!
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              • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 10 months ago
                Read The Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin. From p. 207 of Griffin’s book, “The American dollar has no intrinsic value. It is a classic example of fiat money with no limit to the quantity that can be produced. Its primary value lies in the willingness of the people to accept it and, to that end, legal tender laws require them to do so. It is true that our money is created out of nothing, but it is more accurate to say that it is based upon debt. In one sense, therefore, our money is created out of less than nothing. The entire money supply would vanish into bank vaults and computer chips if all debts were paid. Under the present system, therefore, our leaders cannot allow a serious reduction in either the national or consumer debt. Charging interest on pretended loans is usury, and that has become institutionalized under the Federal Reserve System. The Mandrake Mechanism by which the Fed converts debt into money may seem complicated at first, but it is simple if one remembers that the process is not intended to be logical but to confuse and deceive. The end product of the (Mandrake) Mechanism is artificial expansion of the money supply, which is the root cause of the hidden tax called inflation. This expansion leads to contraction, and together they produce the most destructive boom-bust cycle that has plagued mankind throughout history wherever fiat money has existed.” Elsewhere in the book, he demonstrates why fractional reserve currencies result in the same boom-bust cycles (1920’s to the Great Depression, 2005 to the TARP fiasco in 2008). “Such inflation is a tax. Furthermore, it is the most unfair tax of them all because it falls most heavily on the thrifty”. (Griffin, p. 203)
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                • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 10 months ago
                  Well, I'm not much of a 'book reader' any more, but I do start with a Google search of a topic and look at several of the first entries to pop up.

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Edward_G... certainly wasn't very complimentary and the next three seemed to focus so much on money==debt without seeming to admit that there were any other alternative ways to describe it, that I got the impression that the Mandrake Mechanism is likely its own kind of cult explanation.

                  My suspicion is that fiat money can (and does) work just fine in real life unless some external force mucks it up... like a Federal Reserve, a Fannie or Freddie or something like that.

                  Thanks for your explanation and I'll keep an eye open for more explanations.
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                  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 10 months ago
                    Wikipedia is not nice to Mr. Griffin because the Wikipedia site was written by a Keynesian economist. Wikipedia is reliable for some things, but blatantly subjective for others. I won't vouch for his views on cancer, however.

                    The descendants of the Morgans and Rockefellers do not want us to understand the Federal Reserve. Trust me. Read his book.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 10 months ago
      LB - I hope you saw her reply. If not, she does make them herself - to sell them on ETSY, your merchandise has to fall into one of 3 categories: vintage, supplies & handmade by you and any other people you tell ETSY about.
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