teacher attacked for confiscating cellphone in class
student attacks teacher who does not defend himself .......
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Too bad we don't have the old style penal-based Reform Schools anymore... or perhaps, the old style military, where if you decided to be a thug against authority, you got the (deleted) kicked out of you until you learned to be a member of society.
We have changed the rules and mollycoddled bad and antisocial behavior so much that what the system does best is make future felons.
In most government school districts, a teacher will lost his job, on the spot, including pension, if he injures a student. The circumstances do not matter.
My brother, who teaches in a just-short-of-jail school, was told the rules, when he started working,. No matter what a kid does to you, you can't do anything back. There was a teacher in that school who was allowed to resign because he punched a kid who [warning: icky] grabbed the teacher's finger with his teeth at the base and ripped all the skin off it. !!!! and he followed the rule until she[!] started chewing on it.
Unfortunately, the system is against teachers in every way it can be. It's also against students.
pull the buildings down, sow salt in the ruins, and let students, teachers and parents invent better ways.
I don't feel good about it, but often these kids were released back to parents (?) where mom was a hooker and dad was a pusher who put the kid back on the street selling drugs. There really wasn't much chance for them to ever have a productive life. I felt even worse about the prospect of being beat to a pulp by these punks. One JCO that had been in the 10th Mountain had a kid come out of his room while the JCO searched it for drugs or weapons. The kid jumped back in the room and in about ten seconds came flying out of the room and slammed into the concrete wall on the other side of the hall. He smarted off to the JCO and told him that the JCO wouldn't have the protection where the kid was released. The JCO asked him who was going to protect him. Most of us carried pistols on the outside. <br abp="250"> <br abp="251">I eventually quit after three years because more than a couple of the JCO's would call in sick every two weeks at a minimum. They were not sick and had doctors that would write them script for fake illness so nothing would ever happen to them. This left the ones on duty stuck with 32 and often 48 hours working. We were forbidden to call Austin (Texas) to report what was really going on. They really didn't want to know and for the most part didn't care.
About a month after I walked out of the job the school (big joke there) it was investigated by outside investigators and more than a few of the JCO's resigned rather than face the music. It's a lousy system but what else are you going to do with these criminals? Trust me, if you thought you were going to get any one of them to change and go straight you were sadly mistaken.
handle these gangsters. . their only real hope
might be mentoring by very tough people who
could force them to see straight. . expensive,
unfeasible, difficult. . WoW. -- j
This transition to students having more rights than teachers happened right after that, and was a contributor to him retiring. He used to shock the whole class holding hands in a loop with a horseshoe generator. Imagine that now! My father had his issues, but the kids in his class loved these shenanigans, and few recall him negatively.
Once a little clown that refused to do any work in the class refused to get his notebook out and pay attention. I happened to be in that class. My father told him to get out his notebook and pen. He said "You can't make me." My father got out a Tesla coil, lit a piece of paper on fire with it and said "notebook or electrical break dancing". The kid when for the notebook, post haste.
Another example was a fight going one outside my calculus teacher's (great, great teacher) room. It moved in his room, and that was it. He grabbed the kids and pulled them apart briskly, and said, "oh no, not in my clasroom". Then he told me to help him "escort" the one he no longer had a grip on to the office. Down we went.
This nonsense that kids should be allowed to disrupt class, and their blah blah blah rights is ridiculous.
Half of the questions I ask myself that end in 'put 'em down" could be slightly tweaked to point directly at anyone. But the environment and society that brought them to where they are today is not going to stop churning them out.
and I don't want to get what THEY deserve when things fall apart.
This is how dictators are created, isn't it?
and this is why I stay away from politics. mostly.
"A young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee, or a ragout."
A healthy dose of reality is most nourishing!
I would not punch a kid but I certainly would restrain one if intending to cause harm to anyone. But then again how many AP and honors kids spaz out like that? So it's not likely to happen in my classroom.
I think this one turns on the USE of the phone in class. In many schools, students text the answers to tests to each other, or ask a friend outside of class. There is no information about why the teacher did what he did, or what the students was doing with the phone.
The policy [of this school, at least - maybe the district] is that "...students are allowed to use cell phones in class for academic purposes, but staff may take the devices and return them later if the devices are being used for other purposes."
I won't judge this teacher until I know more - either one could have been in the wrong.
The other question is, where did the violence start? Was the phone taken in that traditional teacher way, walking up to a kid, holding out your hand, and saying "Phone?"? Or did the teacher physically attack the student, ripping the phone from his hand. It is reported that the student attacked the teacher.
As is usual with the news, we have no facts.