Galt's Gulch

Muslims and the use of force...

Posted by 23Skidoo 9 years, 11 months ago to Politics
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I believe that Ayn would agree, but I think it is fair to say that an extermination effort must be waged against radical muslims. After all, we would only be emplying the use of force against those who initiated it. But, as she stated you cant recognize a murderers sanction to kill you....

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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 11 months ago
    They want me dead...I kill them. End of issue. This should be the national policy. All enemies foreign and domestic doesn't leave that much room for debate, except perhaps for who that enemy is.
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    • Posted by 23Skidoo 9 years, 11 months ago
      Agreed, thanks I was feeling all alone in my love for life....
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 11 months ago
        The world is always us against them. Us being Americans and them being anyone else. The "against" can be any matter of things - not necessarily violent - but all competitive. America, just as every Objectivist and Conservative, should be concentrating on its own interests over and before those interest of another nation or people. This perspective has been lost in this country. Its why we're so screwed up as a nation and as a people.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago
    I'm afraid that you may be right. At least until those with such beliefs change them. There is hope with the likes of el-Sisi in Egypt and the Indonesians, who are advocating a tolerant form of Islam.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 11 months ago
    I can't flag this. someone flag my comment
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    • Posted by 23Skidoo 9 years, 11 months ago
      Why would you want to flag this comment?
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      • Posted by khalling 9 years, 11 months ago
        You used the concept of extermination. Maybe you did not really want to use that term. Extermination does not win any battle of ideas. It is a concept that promotes the killing of anyone who identifies or is perceived as x. I agree that governments are tacitly supporting, if not directly, these organizations which are killing. Tacit support can come with a real cost-ie Barbary Pirates. But this is not extermination. It will make the problem worse and it will pit people against people, not objective right and wrong.
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        • Posted by 23Skidoo 9 years, 11 months ago
          You think that people who behead innocent human beings deserve to breathe oxygen? They are not rational members of the human race.
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          • Posted by khalling 9 years, 11 months ago
            Extermination implies a whole class of people, not individuals. There are plenty of people out there who want to wipe a whole group of muslims off the face of the Earth over these attacks. That word is completely loaded and I do think you understand that
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            • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago
              They were talking about the radicals. And I think they are likely right - at least until there aren't any more radicals, or believe in such radical ideas.
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              • Posted by 23Skidoo 9 years, 11 months ago
                Thank you for seeing the intention of my post. I don't want to round up every Muslim and kill them. I simply think we need open season on those who seek to kill us and have stated so in clear terms.
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            • Posted by khalling 9 years, 11 months ago
              Genocide, the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group
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              • Posted by 23Skidoo 9 years, 11 months ago
                Radical Islamists do not qualify as any of the groups you speak of. They are, by our Objectivist definitions, evil and should be so treated. Boko Haram leveled a town of 10,000 people this week, and no one in the west even mentioned it. I will take peace knowing that when they come for us, I'm ready and surprise will not be an advantage they have on me.
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                • Posted by khalling 9 years, 11 months ago
                  I am not down voting you. But you still have not addressed the loaded word you used in the post. This Objectivist site would never advocate for such
                  and it allows others to come in here and make assumptions about this group which would be wrong. Why are you not retracting your word choice? I am not just playing semantics here
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                  • Posted by 23Skidoo 9 years, 11 months ago
                    Exterminate the killers. I don't care to retract that. Stamp out the evil. Eradicate them. Neutralize them. Make them unable to carry out their murderous plots. You may select any of these that better fits your sensibilities.....
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                • Posted by Lucky 9 years, 11 months ago
                  23Skidoo, below are some refs from Russia today.
                  The perpetrators are members of a group, BokoHaram, they identify as being of that group. All that group are in it. Their violence is an act of war. Membership of that group is predominately voluntary except for those kidnapped. So, the rules of war apply.
                  The same thinking applies to Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and so on. What about Muslims and progressivistas who are not engaged in violence? Yes they are individuals, many would be on the hit list, but their tolerance of aggression and willingness to be victims should not give them special rights such as applying censorship or to not be offended. Yes they are in a predicament but it is largely their own choice.

                  http://rt.com/news/221475-nigeria-girl-s...
                  suicide bomber as young as 10 years old blew herself up at a market in Nigeria, killing between 16 and 20 people,

                  http://rt.com/news/221347-nigeria-insurg...
                  Boko Haram, the extremist Islamic group that wants to enforce Sharia Law across Nigeria, has inflicted mass casualties in northeast Nigeria. Some reports put the number of fatalities as high as 2,000.

                  http://rt.com/news/209903-nigeria-mosque...
                  Suicide bombers followed up by gunmen have killed at least 120 people and wounded 270 others in a mosque, which was the place of worship of Nigeria's top anti-Boko Haram cleric
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            • Posted by 23Skidoo 9 years, 11 months ago
              Yes, the entire class of people who want to kill me, radical islamists. "No, i do not sink to his level of depravity, I merely grant him his choice, destruction. The only destruction he had a right to choose, his own...." - John Galt
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 11 months ago
          "You used the concept of extermination. Maybe you did not really want to use that term."
          I don't know what's in the perpetrators' minds, but I suspect their whole goal is to goad people into over-reaction. They're a band of criminals, no real threat to what I'll call the "normal" people of the world, who in some form or another want basic liberty and prosperity. These "normal" people say people can be treated like individuals and disputes and crimes can be handled by rule of law, and you can have you Lexus without sacrificing all of your Olive Tree. The criminals, though, want to make it about group identities. They are anti-objectivist no only for committing murder and other crimes but in their end goals. Their hope is to goad the "normal" people away from their belief in rule of law, empiricism, and rational thought. The inflammatory language plays right into their hands.
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