Trust Us, by Robert Gore

Posted by straightlinelogic 10 years ago to Government
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The following is an excerpt, the full article can be accessed from the link above.

So the justifications for what could become the most consequential war the US has ever fought are among the flimsiest ever offered. The policy-making elite have envisioned an US-dominated world since the US assumed the pinnacle of power after WWII, and probably even before then. The post-WWII preeminence upon which that vision rested was never going to last. It was called into question with the Soviet acquisition of the atomic bomb and completely discredited decades ago when Nixon closed the gold window and the US withdrew from Vietnam. There is no reason the American bloc and the emerging Russo-Sino bloc could not come to a modus vivendi, perhaps even to their mutual benefit (idealism never completely dies). However, that would require abandonment of the elite’s untenable vision, and that won’t happen until after at least one more disastrous US intervention, if not in Russia, then somewhere else.
SOURCE URL: http://straightlinelogic.com/2015/01/12/trust-us-by-robert-gore/


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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years ago
    Hello straightlinelogic,
    Another excellent article.
    One thing: "For the elite, 9/11 was a godsend. However, to justify the subsequent renewal of US global interventionism and a dramatic curtailment of civil liberties, the American people would have to be fed the whopper of all whoppers: that Islamic extremism presented an existential threat on par and maybe even more dangerous than the Communist threat."

    If it wasn't an existential threat the War Mongers (some Neo-Cons) would make it so, and government that does not police its borders, welcomes Islamic extremists to immigrate without sufficient scrutiny and societal demands of integration and assimilation is a recipe for disaster. We see the results in these enclaves outside of Paris...

    Modus operandi: Manipulating the Ukraine and other nations is another method of creating necessary chaos.
    We must ride in like the Cavalry and save the day!

    Yes, we are being played on many fronts.

    Respectfully,
    O.A.
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    • Posted by 10 years ago
      OA, I've always liked your posts, even when they've disagreed with some of my conclusions. I just discovered a great blog, www.cluborlov.com, written by Russian-American Dmitry Orlov. I posted one of his articles today, "Peculiarities of Russian National Character." You might want to check it out, and his site.
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      • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years ago
        Okay. I have read the article. It is quite interesting, well written and informative regarding the cultural mindset. I do not believe our reset button is working correctly. Aside from some of the atrocities committed at the end of WWII I have always felt the Russian people were of good character, though I do not understand their tolerance for the Communist influence of their politics. Cooperation with the Russians could be achieved, but I do not believe it can be fruitful without an understanding/appreciation of our different cultural approaches.
        I know there are many Ukrainians supportive of Russia, but what do you think should be done regarding the Ukrainians that want independence from Russia?
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        • Posted by 10 years ago
          What should be done regarding the Ukrainians who want independence from the US puppet government in Kiev? The government that was ousted by the US-supported coup at least had the virtue of being democratically elected. I do not know how to untangle the various loyalties of Ukrainians and give them political expression. Consider your question. Most people in most countries of the world do not ask how their government can make the domestic political situation in another country in some sense "better." I do believe, with Mr. Orlov, that the US government trying to impose its vision on the Ukranian people is fraught with peril and will ultimately redound to its detriment, just as so many of its other interventions have. That will be especially true as it brings us into direct confrontation with Russia. I see no upside to such a situation, and unlimited downside. Ukraine is on Russia's doorstep. For much of its history it has been part of either Russia or the USSR, and there is no way that we are going to make it a paid up member of the US-EU axis without some sort of fierce blowback from Russia, as Mr. Orlov's conclusions suggest.
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          • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years ago
            Excellent reply. We should not be the policemen or nation builders of the world. It has been our leaders' hubris that has created messes that then impel many to wish further intervention to clean up... all too often this domino effect could have been avoided with proper diplomacy in the first place.
            In cases like this I am often reminded of this- Perhaps the most famous quote from Jefferson is that oft-repeated one from his first inaugural address, delivered on March 4, 1801: “Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none.”
            Of course we are far removed from those days and I believe we should live up to our treaties, but think very carefully about further involvement. I am not opposed to selling arms as a form of commerce to foreign peoples that wish to fight for their own freedom, so long as they are not weapons sufficiently powerful to threaten us later and it does not pose a treaty violation or too much "blowback." Meals ready to eat hardly seem like much help, but if we have no treaty to abide by... It is not our back yard... Europe should deal with this if it is in their interest.
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      • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years ago
        Straightlinelogic, the feeling is mutual. My opinions are just that, and I appreciate when they are challenged with objectivity and respect. I know I am not omniscient and happily re-examine my premises and conclusions. Your erudite examinations and conclusions are always a welcomed opportunity.
        Thank's for the link. I shall investigate forthwith!
        Best Regards,
        O.A.
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