Do libertarians have a different sense of life to objectivists?

Posted by Vinay 11 years ago to Culture
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Sarcasm has its place, but is addiction to sarcasm symptomatic of a non-heroic culture? In response to a libertarian site's question about the most libertarian movies ever, I listed Conviction, Agora, and On the Waterfront. They got no other votes. The Castle got the most votes. So long as it is anti-authority and anti-Government, libertarians seemed to not care about the absence of steely heroism in their nominations.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 12 months ago
    As many reading this piece will no doubt point out, South Park co-creator Matt Stone appeared in Michael Moore’s anti-gun cult-classic Bowling for Columbine. And for those libertarians, his participation represents an inexcusable capitulation to statism (despite Moore’s film’s apt thesis that America is dominated by an unhealthy and unrealistic culture of fear)"
    The movie asks the question if Americans have more violence b/c of guns but says that is not the case by pointing to other country where guns are widespread and have low rates of violence. The movie is talking about the culture of fear. I don't agree with every point in the movie, but I really love it overall. I was living away from Madison and working at Jabil Circuit, and I felt like there were only a few liberals / libertarians around. There's a lot of paranoia in that area. I loved the anti culture of fear message.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 12 months ago
    Some of the most objectivist movies I have seen are: Agora (2009), Conviction, On the Waterfront, The Dark Knight, The Shawshank Redemption, and Dead Poets Society...all very enjoyable too. Would love to hear from anyone who has seen any of those.
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    • Posted by $ minniepuck 10 years, 12 months ago
      haven't seen agora. I'll have to check it out. I agree with you on the rest, particularly the dark Knight. that movie is brilliant.

      this is actually a great list of movies and shows you, Mike, and khalling are coming up with. I've been wanting to compile a "recommended reading list" for folks on this site. a "recommended watch list" is just as good. keep them coming, please.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years ago
    South Park is too sophomoric for my tastes, but certainly clever. I'm not a huge sci-fi fan, but I think there are many movies and shows which draw the libertarian and Objectivist alike, which means hero (so there are values) and some romanticism while projecting an anti-authority message. Firefly and Buffy the Vampire Slayer come to my mind. Enemy of the State, Taken, V For Vendetta, Rob Roy, Braveheart, October Sky, Pleasantville, the more recent TV series from BBC, Robin Hood. all have strong heroes and likely attract Objectivists and Libertarians both.
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    • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years ago
      Pleasantville was quirky but, yes, I see the point.

      As for the others... yeah... I get it... but you know a movie (or book) must be more than barbarians yelling about freedom.

      I saw this on Objectivist sites with "300". I understand Thermopylae. In fact, I understand it so well that I know to pronounce it correctly:
      As if in English "t-HAIR-mo-PUH-lay." But the 300 Spartans were not models of libertarian or Objectivist morals or our bourgeois quest for civil liberties in a pluralistic urban society. (What we might recognize as laudable in Spartan society was not evident in the movie, for example, the fact that land was registered in the name of the WOMAN of the house). All you had was men in sandals using the word "freedom" in a sentence.

      With Firefly, it was not just the libertarian politics, but the fact that the actions of the characters came from the choices they made based on their conflicting values.

      In our home, we are working our way through Deep Space Nine. We have problems with the militarist universe of Star Fleet and the denigrated comical status of the Ferengi traders and merchants. Still, we appreciate the fact that complex conflicts bring values into sharp focus and individuals make choices - and learn from their experiences.

      The same drove our appreciation for the first two seasons of Battlestar Galactica.

      And again, The West Wing remains a series in which the values of the characters define the actions they take. Complex problems force people to think about what they believe and why.
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      • Posted by khalling 11 years ago
        I enjoyed West Wing very much, and the acting was superb. I did yell at the TV more than once, which isn't entertaining for anyone else in the room-probably not me either. One series I watched recently was Jericho. It explores a Kansas community in the wake of a catastrophic attack on the US. There are definitely heroes, and the show purposely plays out scenarios showing capitalism inevitably solves many conflicts. Of course, many of the bad guys engage in commerce-opposed to city hall. sigh.
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        • Posted by 11 years ago
          Me too, enjoyed West Wing a lot. Aaron Sorkin is a great writer. You will love House of Cards. And yes, South Park's SOL is NOT objectivist at all, only libertarins love it.
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        • Posted by $ minniepuck 10 years, 12 months ago
          it's good to know I'm not the only one yelling at the tv when the west wing is on. lol. but, yeah, it's a great show. AMAZING writing. I only allow myself to watch it when I'm on treadmill or rowing machine to keep me motivated. I'm only about halfway through, but what happened to that one Republican woman?

          the only other show that captures my attention in the same way is the sopranos. I'm sure it espouses the merits of capitalism in one way or another...
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    • Posted by 10 years, 12 months ago
      The movie Robin Hood Prince of Thieves (*ing Russell Crowe & Cate Blanchett) was especially good. In that , the real Robin Hood emerges--one who steals from the aristocrats and RETUNS the taxes so stolen to the producers! He even fights the King for a Magna Carta to restrict his powers. He is Ragnar.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years ago
    South Park's sense of life is NOT Objectivist, even if the story lines support a libertarian assessment of social and political issues.

    Lew Rockewell recommended some other shows, none of which met our standards.

    I understand The Dukes of Hazzard. We watched it when our daughter was a child. Boss Hogg is corrupt; the courts are unjust; the boys work things out with a minimum of violence - their being barred from owning guns makes that a requirement. And Daisy can wear short shorts and be treated with respect. The downside was the yokel aspect. The boys do not actually produce anything. Skeeter's gas station is the extent of the industry and the restaurant is the sum of their commerce. They just live a simple life absorbing nature... and driving fast...

    Like Lord of the Rings, Star Wars presents good-versus-evil in an uncompromising narrative. Nonetheless, within the story line, the traders are morally corrupt and the simple farm boy is everyone's last hope. (LOTR glorified the mythical preindustrial manor village and its sturdy uncomplicated folk. Even at the Prancing Pony, as the boys order ale - "It comes in pints!" - not a coin is to be seen, another instance of working magic.

    Granted that it is easy to pick apart anything and dislike everything, we still find positives where we do, including Star Wars and Lord of the Rings. We own all seven seasons of The West Wing. But I would not buy "South Park" in the bargain bin for a dollar. Cute as it can be in a libertarian sort of way, South Park is just cheap junk. I grant, though, that its popularity reflects a libertarian substrate within the viewing audience.
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