Galt's Gulch

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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 11 months ago
    I think I have said the first 8 of these steps in one conversation or another on this site so I certainly think this makes sense. I believe the only missing piece is what is that action we need to be ready to take to get us back to the original constitution?

    I really only see one solution and that is starting over. This monster has become so big that even when they are pushed one step toward the constitution the other side takes it 2 steps away. We just keep losing ground.

    Does anyone see another way? I'm listening.
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    • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago
      How would you see this "starting over" occurring?

      The only way that it did with the colonies was being separated from the mother country. Even if a state or states attempted to disassociate from federal laws (hmm, wasn't that tried once?), on anything more than a very limited way, it would be quashed. Too much federal money (which was money that originated in the state, but was stolen without the state's involvement) is used to bribe the various states to comply with federal dictates. And the people themselves have little ability to neuter the fed gov't, since they are forcibly caused to support it (in most cases - some of us are not subject to automatic payroll tax withholding, but many are).
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      • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 11 months ago
        I don't pretend to have the answer. That's why I asked for others thoughts. I also never said starting over would not end or at least begin with tyranny. But I do believe we end up there no matter what. We are on the path and have been for many years. The only chance is if there is a plan by someone in a position of influence that will right the ship when it goes down, whenever it happens.

        I do agree that it was simpler when this country broke from the British. I am not advocating nor encouraging a revolution but personally I think it is inevitable at some point in the future. It has happened in all of history and I do not believe we are immune.
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    • Posted by jpellone 9 years, 11 months ago
      There is only one solution and that is to repeal all laws legislated and by executive order and start over. Stop giving privileges to certain companies like Monsanto and give all farmers the same deal!!!
      Keep the government out of what you want to produce instead of the government telling you what you can produce on your land!!!
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    • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 11 months ago
      If we can get a pro-freedom majority in Congress, we can pack the Supreme Court and cure all the bad precedents. If we can't, I don't see any way to get our freedom back except by leaving this country (or at least going underground like Galt did).
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 11 months ago
    Hello RMP,
    What to do: Follow the link provided in the article... Madison- Federalist # 46 http://personalliberty.com/james-madison...
    The States will have to band together. The Feds are strong. The question is; if the States band together and force the issue do they have the fortitude to start another civil war if the States demand their sovereign rights? To suppress the statists in the District of Corruption and start the long arduous process it will take State initiative on a scale not seen since the civil war.
    So far, over half of the States have joined suit against O'care... we shall see what becomes of this type of action soon.
    Respectfully,
    O.A,
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  • Posted by Lysander 9 years, 11 months ago
    There were three very important issues that all occurred around the same time: 16th Amendment, the 17th Amendment and the Federal Reserve. All three 100 years old, all three limited Liberty, all three need repeal!
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 11 months ago
    the country is to far gone to be rescued. if you were to eliminate the president and the entire congress today and replace them with new people tomorrow, and all you would have is a group that were educated in altruist, socialist collectivist philosophy. so you would end up where you started from.
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    • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 11 months ago
      Not if the right people were in a position to step in. :)
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      • Posted by Lnxjenn 9 years, 11 months ago
        The problem is, the right people may not step up. In such times of "insanity", mainly the more opportunistic groups, such as Communists/socialists/etc have been known to step in and fill the gaps and holes. So, you may get rid of all the destructive Democrats and Republicans, but only to be replaced with possibly even worse socialist/fascist/communist or whatever type that would not uphold, or only temporarily uphold the constitutional beliefs and laws.
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        • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 11 months ago
          Understood. I was simply stating there was a chance.
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          • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 11 months ago
            During his years as Celtic they was no "chance" of any team beating the Celtics for the championship. The same holds true in this case, no matter who pops up and no matter how Ayn Rand this person is in his thinking our course will not be changed. I am sorry to say there is no chance. Just observe what takes place each and everyday.
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          • Posted by Lnxjenn 9 years, 11 months ago
            Just from studying various other "revolutions", that is essentially what has happened. I was just stating concern and repeated historical patterns! I guess I fear that for the country.
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            • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 11 months ago
              I cannot disagree. It does not end well no matter when it ends. The only thing I'm sure of is it will end. May happen tomorrow or 100 years from now. Our only (small) chance is good people take over when it ends.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 11 months ago
    OK, it's a good start. But the key question is: Who are going to be the ones to bell the cat? Talk is just -- talk. Lots of will, lots of money, and like the old adage, "Patience and fortitude will rust the strongest lock."
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