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For Those That Still Think The US Is A Free Country

Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 3 months ago to Government
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How a Bipartisan Majority in Congress Shredded the Constitution, Again. By Judge Napolitano:

"When the government is waving at us with its right hand, so to speak, it is the government's left hand that we should be watching. Just as a magician draws your attention to what he wants you to see so you will not observe how his trick is performed, last week presented a textbook example of public disputes masking hidden deceptions. Here is what happened:"

While we were watching the CIA Torture Report and Cop Abuse, with no public notice or discussion-Congress, The President, and the Bureaucracy did it to us again, big time. Hidden in the Cromnibus Spending Bill to fund the government through next Sept. was a little item eliminating the 4th Amendment to the Constitution. I didn't hear or see anyone talking about this. Maybe I just missed it, but I don't think so.

What's it going to take for even Objectivist to begin to realize that the country we thought we still had at least a piece of left and a little bit of hope to turn towards freedom is no more and it can't be turned around or even re-directed? Just how deep in the sand are our heads stuck?

We now actually live in a country that is a police state, a total surveillance state, that all in taxes us at 50% +/-, whose elected officials blatantly lie to us on a daily basis, that shares the wealth with more people than work to provide the wealth, that's stolen vast sectors of the economy for the benefit of the bureaucrats, that's bankrupted the present and future lives of it's citizens, that's working overtime to steal the minds of our children, has the largest prison population in total and per capita on the planet, and has absolutely no respect whatsoever for it's citizens.

And we didn't even notice, while we posted and commented on our little news blurbs and argued about Objectivsm vs. religion! Just take a deep breath and see what happens in 2015 and 2016. It's going to be a nightmare.
SOURCE URL: http://reason.com/archives/2014/12/18/government-spending-bill-sleights


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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 3 months ago
    The power of the Constitution was so great, that in spite of all that has been done to make it impotent its influence lasted around 200 years. Immediately after having been written, critics started arguing against this, that, or the other depending on their different agendas. While adhering to the general principles set down by the Constitution the nation prospered as no nation in all of history has ever prospered. The cause of this was the freedom the Constitution provided. At the same time, little by little it was being torn apart by those who want to make it irrelevant, until in the 20th century, the process accelerated to the point where it was changed to where it has been made useless. As a result, we witness the decline of the USA into a mixed (up) economy and government. The freedoms are hanging by their fingernails as the middle class commits suicide by poison, though the antidote exists in black and white, written by the founders. Unless there is a radical shift in Washington and the majority of the state governments, the USA will not survive as a free state.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 3 months ago
      Herb; Do you really think that 'radical shift' has any chance whatever of happening?
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      • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 3 months ago
        Very doubtful. But then, if there's only one chance in a hundred, there's still a chance. Unfortunately, I think we are witnessing the end of the American experiment. Since I won't be around to witness the final gasps, I plan to send out "radical" emails to all and sundry..
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        • Posted by 10 years, 3 months ago
          Yes, my email to my Senators and Congressman, all Republicans was: What the Hell? Do you guys ever read the bills you pass? And what gave you the idea that you have the power to eliminate the 4th Amendment without our OK?

          Haven't heard back yet. I'm sure it'll be something about 'National Security' in the perilous times or some such nonsense.
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      • Posted by jpellone 10 years, 3 months ago
        Zen, I have to believe that our veterans will give their dying breath to save our Constitution. The biggest obstacle right now is O's republican guard. Why should the HHS and EPA be armed???
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        • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 3 months ago
          As a vet myself, I respectfully disagree. There are many good and respected vets who haven't the slightest idea what the US Constitution really is and means. They joined and served because they love their country, but really don't know what that country stands for fundamentally. Yes, yes, they understand "freedom" - but superficially. They know it is wrong to censor somebody, but would be confused if presented with a rights question of whether a private business has the ability to exercise its rights to freedom of expression/association. Likewise, many of them would support the 2nd amendment, but would also support gun registration - oblivious to the fact that it would be the first step to confiscation. Do most understand the importance of the 9th and 10 amendments? I doubt it. How about the problems and fundamental change in the balance of power enacted by the 17th amendment? I really doubt that many understand that one.
          No, I don't count on my fellow veterans, nor active duty military, to uphold and save our constitution. And have even less expectation that hunters will step up. While there is a sub-set of each that also understand the constitution and would fight to protect it, the slices of them on a Venn Diagram would be rather small.
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          • Posted by 10 years, 3 months ago
            Sad but very true, Robbie. With all the classes and training in the services, you might expect them to require some knowledge about the thing they all swear to defend.
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            • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 3 months ago
              Since I was an instructor for an Army branch Officer Basic Course, I can speak from first hand experience that a class on the Constitution was not included. The closest would have been sessions on the UCMJ and how those regulations derived their authority directly from the Constitution (mostly 4th and 5th amendment stuff).
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          • Posted by jpellone 10 years, 3 months ago
            I have to agree that the younger vets are clueless. I have talked to a few of them and have never even read the Constitution let alone understand it. I have also talked to many vets over 50 that all agree that if the SHTF they will do whatever is necessary (in fact ALL of them over 50 that I have talked to).
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  • Posted by jconne 10 years, 3 months ago
    I firmly believe that the only winning strategy is educating future generations in spite of all the obstacles. That's what ARI continues to home in on. That's where I donate and lend my support.

    Rand's ideas are being discussed in political circles and that exposes the young and curious to them. All they need is a hearing and they will stand on their own merits. Our goal should be to help others ask the right questions - the right fundamental questions with an understanding of why they are important. That's a much more selfish and valuable use of our energies -- questions like what are rights and why are they rights?

    So why not turn this vehicle from a complaining circle into a search for the right questions and how we can communicate their importance to the young present and future voters.

    I like to point out that thise commonly called leaders are anything but! They win popularity contests. Therefore, they are simply followers - some well intentioned but all seeking power for some purpose. And they get the electorate's
    permission to do what they do. So we the voters are the problem. Therefore, that's where leverage for improvement lives.

    For those too set in their unquestioned premises - ignore them - move on - find the intellectually curious and inspire them with the right questions and respect for their rights and responsibilities as independent sovereign human beings.

    When I daily introduce strangers to Rand's innovation in thinking, I suggest questions that deserve their attention for their own happiness and defense of their rights. I ask if and what the like to read and use that as my guide for what to recommend.

    I also share "my most outrageous assertion" and call it just that - I believe Ayn Rand has done for philosophy, what Newton had done for a Physics - fully grounding it in reality for the first time.

    I tell my listeners that if they read about this, the only thing that matters is their best judgement and integrity. If it doesn't meet that standard they should ignore it. This separates me for those asking for followers and puts the burden fully and respectfully on their shoulders.

    Thoughts?
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  • Posted by Esceptico 10 years, 3 months ago
    As Robert Le Favre said in his book "The nature of man and his government": Government begins by protecting some against others and ends up protecting itself against everyone.

    The loved Thomas Jefferson shredded the Constitution with the Louisiana Purchase. As soon as a person attains power, things change.
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  • Posted by jconne 10 years, 3 months ago
    Zen, I agree - vets are no more educated and insightful that the rest of the population. After seeing how badly we are managing this war, they may be even more cynical than the rest of the population.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 3 months ago
      And a lot of people don't understand that those vets that were actually involved in combat are a minority, significantly so. And generally, the more intelligent and educated aren't slotted to infantryman, but rather to combat and operations support, i.e. maintenance, logistics, planning, etc.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years, 3 months ago
    When Princess Pelosi said, "Let's pass this bill to see what's in it beyond the controversy," not a single Republican voted for it.
    Not so for voting for the unread Cromni-under-the-bus Bull that spends just another trillion dollars we don't have.
    I'm beyond sick of the "leadership" repeatedly shown by the wimp-out house speaker Boohoo Boner.
    No, thank you very much, I like the way I spell Carrot Man's name. It better matches the vegetable that is in office.
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  • Posted by BradSnipes1 10 years, 3 months ago
    The Off-Grid Texan

    I have watched, with “captivated interest”, the moral and economic decline of America. I sincerely believe that Barrack Obama and Liberal Politicians have succeeded in an intentional decimation of the moral fabric of our nation and its economy. We have reached the point of no return. Our economy will soon crash.
    I will now pose some questions for you? Where will be when the Grid goes down? What will life in the cities be like when there is no electricity, water, or sewage?
    The national debt is so great that it can never be repaid. The ultimate source of this money, which is being so frivolously spent by our oppressive government, is our children and their descendants. If the national debt will ever be repaid, it will be paid for by them. Future generations
    What an evil and selfish generation we are. We are stealing from future generations. They will be forced to pay oppressive taxes to accommodate the lavish and frivolous spending of a wicked Federal Government.
    The power held by the government over the people is increasing rapidly. The liberals in government are too firmly entrenched. Barrack Hussein Obama is, in my opinion, intentionally trying to destroy our economy. He has already damaged our economy to such an extent that a depression will soon occur. It is inevitable.
    It is greatly disappointing and disturbing to see the way Liberals have crammed Obamacare down our throats against the wishes of most American’s. It is unsustainable and will accelerate our decline.
    We have become a country where violence and sex are commonplace on television. We are forced to accept homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle.
    Christians are persecuted while Muslims are lifted up. The government controls our healthcare and will have a degree of control over our life or death.
    Government controls our schools. Our children are taught fuzzy math and revisionist history. They are taught about condoms and birth control. They selectively choose to teach two unproven theories as scientific fact i.e. Darwin’s Theory of Evolution and the theory of Man Caused Global Warming. They are taught that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle. They are forbidden to worship God openly.
    Government, through the Federal Reserve System, controls and regulates the amount of money in circulation and hence the value of your money. They also control interest rates and have the ability to control the economy. The Federal Reserve routinely adjusts the prime rate to regulate the economy to control unemployment rates. 100% employment will never be permitted.
    Government imposes excessive regulations on American industry. The tax on business is punitive. The tax on America’s citizens is unreasonable and oppressive.
    As a freedom loving Texan, the Federal Government has become my enemy.
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    • Posted by jconne 10 years, 3 months ago
      @bradsnipes - I saw this post with lots of good points and then equating Darwin's scientific theory of natural selection with the pseudo-science of anthopoligical global warming. Being a theist/creationist sure has its downside!

      How can a scientist be so misled into compartmentalization of his standards of evidence?

      Likewise in issues supporting our sexually repressed society - keep kids entering puberty from understanding birth control while manipulating them with fear and mysticism? And how dare we tell a sovereign human being who they may be intimate with? All that justified by the totally evil myth of Adam and Eve - the most evil of tales taught to children. It's essentially about being punished for failing to be blindly obedient to arbitrary, self-declared authority. And specifically for seeking knowledge of the difference between good and evil.

      Isn't that what these posts are about? Note that we are debating exactly that difference and the evidence to support our positions. What are the appropriate rules of evidence? Who are being taught them, who not and why not?

      We need Aristotle and Rand not Plato and Kant.

      A great read on the history of the intellectual battle and the power games by agents of faith and force is Rubenstein's "Aristotle's Children".

      And Rand's essay, "Faith and Force, Destroyers of the Modern World" for a truly sane, logical perspective.


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      • Posted by BradSnipes1 10 years, 3 months ago
        Please visit www.ndbc.noaa.gov.
        This shows an interactive map of all weather buoys in the oceans. Only 1266 buoys are in existence. Typically less than 1000 of the report each day. Many of the buoys do not measure air temperature.
        Almost all of the buoys are located between 60 degrees North latitude and 20 degrees South latitude. Almost no data exists for almost 30% of the Earth's Surface.
        There is not a 100% consensus among Scientists.
        My standards of evidence are obviously higher than the standards of the man caused global warming community.
        The amount of available temperature data is hopelessly inadequate to substantiate their claims. Scientists can not possibly determine the average temperature of the Earth with the degree of accuracy that they claim.

        Brad Snipes
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 3 months ago
    Ayn Rand had written about what the government has been doing for years and very few believed her. Those who read Atlas say this is what we are living through now, but we have since she started writing it in 1947. Her thinking becomes even more clear when you read all she wrote in the years after its publication. If she were alive today she would be writing the same things only the names would have changed. With all of his popularity and exposure what the judge has to say is never heard or acknowledged by politicians."welcome to the nightmare"
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    • Posted by 10 years, 3 months ago
      Not only are his warnings and alarms 'never heard or acknowledged by politicians', it's also not listened to by the populace. And yes, "welcome to the nightmare"!
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  • Posted by jconne 10 years, 3 months ago
    Zen, I agree with you, educating future generations is not sufficient but it is necessary. And I have been a trainer in industry for many decades, so I know what you refer to on that account too.

    So what can we do now to counter the forces, or should I say ignorance of our electorate, that are daily reducing our freedom? Just talking among ourselves won't make a difference.

    I see no alternative to educating the willing.

    Have you seen Alex Epstein's recent book, "The Moral Case for Fossil Fuel"? That's an outstanding example of what I'm referring to.

    Can we write books or articles in each of our fields of expertise to advance the cause of freedom?
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 3 months ago
    I think torture was the final straw. It's not that I believe in karma. But, it seems that when nations/cultures turn to torture it doesn't end well for the nation.

    I have heard reports that we were torturing children in front of their mothers. I hope that's not true.
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  • Posted by jconne 10 years, 3 months ago
    @Zenphamy, you wrote, "...we've wauted too long..." To educate the youth - the next generations.

    It can never be "too late" to apply the only effective strategy. And that is to influence those who are not too closd to new assumptions to change. We are not going to change thise in power. We are not going to change the leftist writers and other influencers in sufficient numbers.

    Look to history for what works - how did we get from a better state of freedom to the present? How do ideas change in a culture? That's Rand's point - history is driven be the ideas a culture holds.

    Those ideas are provided by parents and schools which influence the next generations. Parents and teachers may only pay lip service to some ideas, but the next generation is more likely to act on them without conflict. At what age do children start getting conceptual and challenging parents's ideas?

    I saw it in the 60s with the hippy/collectivist/love culture. We have seen it with the "green"/collectivist culture. What was the process? What can we learn from their tactics? That the wisdom that is driving ARI's investments - have a closer look.

    So, "too late" can never be an answer - that's called giving up. There are no guarantees that our civilization will not fail as so many others have, but we can fight for our freedom and for reason. Tjise who care can engage while others just observe and butch.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 3 months ago
      jconne; Again I don't disregard the importance of education to the youth and I certainly don't support giving up on that task, but it's simply not going to be sufficient. If you've ever been involved in teaching at any level on any subject matter, an obvious truth soon becomes very evident. Although we all may be born equal, we don't all reach equal levels of comprehension and while those that reach higher levels of comprehension can easily understand and utilize information at lower levels of information and information processing, those below can't even imagine what the higher levels are seeing, processing, analyzing, and are cognizant of.

      Such is true of Objectivism. The ability to see and analyze reality at all levels of comprehension and consciousness is not an equal birth right.

      As you point out, looking at history can tell us much. I look to our own history including the ideas of the founders and the steady (though accelerated today) decline of the effects of those ideas in our culture. It kind of looks as, if only 3% of the population fight for those ideas supported by only 30% of the population, that the rest are going to go on and ignore those ideas and destroy what the 30% worked to establish.

      When we allowed the democratization of decision and policy making, we allowed the destruction of the country and it'll never be able to rise again in the face of that democratization. There are simply too many that can't (some that won't) comprehend the totality or even levels of Objectivism. And those that can't or won't comprehend are easily manipulated into supporting and even believing in the snake oil magic and supernatural solutions of wealth redistribution and central planning and control. They actually believe that wealth exists in some magical way, rather than having to be made or formed or earned, and that they should have their share of it simply because they exist.
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  • Posted by edweaver 10 years, 3 months ago
    Thanks for this post! I totally agree with your comments and have been saying the same thing for the last few years.

    All these things you say are right out of the communist's play book. To destroy a country without firing a shot it must be destroyed from within by distracting the people and taking over the government. There is only one thing left and that is destroy the currency.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 3 months ago
      It's already destroyed. It's only 2% of relative value to the 1913 dollar and with all the recent QE, it's doubtful that it even retains that 2%.
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      • Posted by edweaver 10 years, 3 months ago
        I agree but the destruction has not hit everyone yet. Only a matter of time and don't believe it will take much longer. I will be shocked to make it though 2015 without a major meltdown.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 3 months ago
    Sorry, I didn't edit fast enough. The 'Cop Abuse' should read: 'Racist Cop Abuse.'
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    • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 3 months ago
      Where do you see "racist cop abuse?"
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      • Posted by 10 years, 3 months ago
        I didn't say I saw it, but real or not, it's been a major issue thrown in front of our views for a few months now.
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        • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 3 months ago
          But if it doesn't exist, isn't it merely a canard?
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          • Posted by 10 years, 3 months ago
            In our world today, it's a sad reality that perception is reality for most of the population.
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            • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 3 months ago
              But isn't that what we need to fight against?
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              • Posted by 10 years, 3 months ago
                I think the fight to get the people that make up the population to think is simply a delaying action. Everyone fully understands what the ATF and DOJ did on 'Fast and Furious', that the NSA is monitoring everything they do electronically and state and local government is monitoring the rest, what the IRS did in interfering with political activities of citizen's groups, what the CIA did in torturing suspected 'terrorists', what the FED has done to our monetary system and economy, that government control of the health industry and services is wrong, that the police are killing and abusing citizens at an ever increasing rate, that this country with 5% of the planet's population has the largest prison population per capita and in total on the planet, that our fight with 'terrorism' has gone on for 14 years with no end in sight, that their friends and family members aren't finding the jobs they once did, that Obama's white House is tearing up the very societal and structural foundation of this country, that we don't have the freedoms we once did, that we can no longer trust what our news organizations tell us, and that Obama and his cronies are exceptionally glib liars, on and on ad infinitum. But very few think that those issues have anything to do with them individually or personally.

                The fight has to be to get those in government, the political class and the SES levels of bureaucracy (the non-famous and untouchables), to understand that they've gone too far and in some manner that counts, re-instate individual accountability to those in government, all levels of government, that has teeth.

                Fighting the stupidity and ignorance that exists in the population is simply a 'too late to the ball' response. Sure, in the long run, it's to our gain to do so. But while that's happening, those in government and our institutions will continue on as they have and are currently. When they can blissfully eliminate the 4th Amendment to the Constitution in a funding bill, they obviously think they can get away with anything and they will until they're stopped. And even if you replace every elected individual in the country, you can't replace the SES. You don't even know who they are and they don't worry about what you or elected politicians think. Have you seen anything happen to the Lois Lerners and the VA administrators or to the cop that raided the wrong house and shot the guy in the house other than at most forced to retire with full pensions and benefits?
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                • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 3 months ago
                  1) I don't think that "most" people know much of what you state - based on interviews on late night shows and "Watters World" on FNC.
                  2) I see little evidence that most of our fellow citizens even care about most of those things. Whether because they don't directly affect them or because they believe that those actions are "good" is unknown.
                  3) There are a considerable numbers who believe that "By Any Means Necessary" is a proper tactic. Most of them reside on the left, but there are some on the right as well.
                  4) Too many in politics are from the legal "profession." This leads them to craft laws that are vague and imprecise - which allows the bureaucracy to then write into "law" the specific regulations that they want. And to add/modify those whenever they want. This leads to an uniformed populace that breaks the laws repeatedly without knowing it.
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