Snowden Interview
Law and Order Republicans need to pay attention to the first part of the interview
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Germany, 1940's. Nazi Soldiers declare "I was just following Orders"
Nuremburg Trials, "I was just following Orders No Excuse"
USA, UCMJ, Obligation to obey "LAWFUL" orders, also means obligation to "DISOBEY/REPORT" UNLAWFUL Orders.
Snowden = HERO !!!!
'I have nothing to hide'.
With laws becoming more numerous and more complex, everyone will break some law, it might be un-authorized use of a computer; parking, speeding, mistake in a tax return and such like.
With property and individual rights respected, Misdemeaning is given the importance deserved- nothing or next to nothing. With increased surveillance even low key law enforcement gets tempted to compile evidence, those with fewer scruples now have tools to select and persecute trivial offenders for political reasons.
Well described by Rand (AS) and Orwell (1984).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7...
Still, I discovered that running my farm gave me at least ten felonies a day, until I stopped providing a petting zoo. Perhaps now I don't have that many. I've not read the Federal Register all the way through recently. I was thinking of making another change to the farm, but it's apparently an EPA felony. Separate felony for every day the change exists.
Without Snowden's sacrifice and heroism, the vast majority of Americans wouldn't have any idea about what was happening to them. If this country's founding ideals are saved, he will be recognized as a true hero sometime in the future.
I'm often pessimistic about the chances of saving this country, but Snowden doing as he did at such a young age gives me some optimism. Not much, but some.
Exactly. We've been treated as subjects for a long time now, and some people like it that way.
Do have an issue with him blowing the whistle on the US spying on foreign governments and peoples. They do not get US Constitutional rights, and this is just prudent. He only made it embarrassing for us, while leaving out the facts about what everyone is doing, making our efforts necessary.
However, I think you are saying, the Constitution protects the rights of anyone, and the US government was formed clearly leaving these rights to people, limiting its powers. So then no spying is allowed, and Miranda Rights are offered to prisoners of war? I'm sure you don't believe some isn't required, so I'm not sure how you distinguish these rights.
Clearly non-US people don't get US Constitutional Rights (USCR) in war. Foreign military persons are not (all) criminals. Where is this opening in the scope defined?
Clearly, China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, France, et al spy on us. China is presently very aggressive in military and economic spying. This is aggression, and I seriously doubt there are any significant governments not engaging in some sort of espionage on the US. If so, I prefer to be the best at it.
Your very first statement shows you think rights come from the government "Does, the US Constitution asserts rights for Chinese people." The US Constitution does not assert rights. It acknowledges that it is the duty of the government to protect them. Clearly the US government legal system cannot go into China and demand free speech or the 4th amendment for every person in china, but that does not mean that our government can trample the rights of every person in china.
Miranda Rights, are not really rights, they are procedural safeguards to protect your rights such as your right to not be improperly imprisoned.
I covered war - a criminal gives up their rights when then purposely violate other people's rights. The same applies to countries and its representatives.
The goal of National Defense is to protect the rights of those people in the United States. When our rights are violated in the name of national defense it leads to a contradiction. That contradiction has lead to the Patriot Act and the United States becoming a police state.
Where I think we disagree, is in the US government's right to protect itself against foreign cyber attack. The US has been attacked, and continues to be attacked every day. I have personal experience with this. I see is no alternative other than to be the best in this area, protect ourselves as we can, and take this on directly. If the Chinese and French citizens want to avoid the US "Eye of Sauron", then they need their own Snowden to help blow up the threat.
Not at all clear that comprehensive computer algorithms are inefficient or expensive compared with targeted human efforts.
I can tell you, without question, the spying from China does not all come from government agencies.
I don't think the Chinese government or people think it is wrong when they do it, and we need defense and offense in this area.
We will probably have to agree to disagree about it being "wrong" to spy on persons of another country, but agree wholeheartedly to the police state concern, that others will only voice after it is too late.
Yes it is clear that it does not work. There is too much data to sift through. There is no evidence that the NSA has stopped one terrorist.
Rights apply to all people. Rights do not come from the government. What the NSA is doing is just pure evil.
1) Snowden attempted to blow the whistle internally (USA) using the media which was immediately quashed by the US government and the "in the tank" compliance of the pathetic media who are not doing their jobs as "watchdogs."
2) Snowden was ONLY able to get out the REAL story by embarrassing other countries who are not worried about our government, only THEN did the mainstream media begin talking about it, and ONLY when it was shown that news anchors were monitored.
3) THEN the media has NEVER NEVER NEVER brought up how ALL those who swear allegiance to the constitution are REQUIRED to disobey unlawful orders.
Snowden did what he had to do to get this information out. I applaud his actions, and all he personally sacrificed to let the ignorant people in America who I do not think are worthy of the freedoms we enjoy know the truth about what our Government is doing and how our Government is turning into the very thing our Constitution was designed to prevent.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/edwar...
The ONLY reason you go to the Guardian and non-mainstream is when the mainstream media stonewalls and does not jump on the story like a viper after a small furry rodent.
Main Stream media has been, since 2006 when Obama came on the scene been protecting Obama and the entire administration like they are their favorite children.