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    Posted by $ Abaco 5 days, 12 hours ago
    Very interesting. I'm not quite there. But, I admit I have some level of resignation. Why? Because I don't control the election - only one vote. I don't control the October or November Surprise. I can only try to be ready to react to it. I don't control the election tampering like that we've seen with the lawfare. I don't control the election fraud like we saw last time with the infamous "F-curve". I don't control any of that. Does that mean I want Kamala in there...batshit party girl? Certainly not. To want that would be dunderheaded. But, if she's elected America will certainly take a beating from her policies and it will set us back. The premise I don't agree with is that if America collapses, a fantastic Jeffersonian or Libertarian utopia will follow. No guarantee of that. That's like saying if I step on a cock roach a beautiful butterfly will emerge and flutter away...
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    • Posted by Lucky 5 days, 2 hours ago
      Absolutely. There is a body of opinion, even on this site, that it is best to have a collapse, like in Atlas Shrugged so a proper small government arrangement will follow. This is implied in Atlas Shrugged but that is a plot device.
      I think, a bad election result will give bad consequences, there is no downward limit.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 5 days, 1 hour ago
        Me dino agrees! I see nothing positive about surrendering to anything negative.
        Especially if it pertains to the future of We The People in a Constitutional Republic traitors hate and seeks to destroy.
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        • Posted by JohnWesley 4 days, 19 hours ago
          Our Constitutional Republic may have dissolved during the Jimmy Carter period. It was definitely eliminated by Obama. I admire Trump for trying to save Capitalism, but I suspect he will have a lost cause, as he will not have enough support. The issue is that the left will eliminate the opposition while the right wants to co-exist. That is not a winning plan.
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          • Posted by $ allosaur 4 days, 17 hours ago
            I'll take your opinion under advisement because you have me now thinking you may be right.
            Trump is a fighter and I'd rather go down fighting than to ever give up.
            I'll never give up voting even though I know there will always be an unfair cheat that can hopefully be at times possible to beat.
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    • Posted by Steven-Wells 4 days, 22 hours ago
      I'm adding "batshit party girl" to my long list of descriptors for Kamala: Black Stalin, Mattress-back Harris, Kamaliar, Comrade Commula, The Cackle, the trench harpy from California (now the black creature from the DC lagoon), and so on.
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    • Posted by CaptainKirk 4 days, 22 hours ago
      Add to that... When America sneezes, Europe catches cold. Any slow-down by us is amplified all over the world.

      We are driving the AI, the chips, the consumption.
      And while China has better planners, they have far worse "CCP corrupted people" who do not care if the building is 80% sand or 80% concrete, whatever lets them steal more.

      as we fail, it will downward spiral. And it will likely extend beyond my life.

      We could still fix things. But the people who control every lever of power would be against it. And they have ALL of the INK, and if you thought 2016 was a flame war on Trump... You only saw them "afraid"... and not "Scared for their lives!"
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 5 days, 1 hour ago
      Absolutely right! If the US collapses, two countries will reemerge, or a significant states over federalism will result.
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      • Posted by $ jdg 2 days, 19 hours ago
        It depends on what you mean by collapsing. If Harris and her handlers were to win, I would expect to see a Latin American style dictatorship, with no civil rights and no dissent allowed, If we get there we're stuck there indefinitely, unless some outside power intervenes and saves us by installing a new Pinochet.

        No, the notion of splitting the country, or at least making it much less centralized, can't happen if Harris wins. It would require someone like Trump to roll back Biden's changes, but then to see that coexistence with the far-left can't be stable.
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  • Posted by Tavolino 4 days, 19 hours ago
    Eight or nine years ago, we were all trying to understand this political anomaly named Trump. Yaron and others in the formal Objectivist movement immediately declared their disdain. They have never missed a chance to distance themselves and follow with a pompous negative certainty without the support of necessary relevant facts. It is ironic, considering our foundations are based on proper metaphysical identification and observable epistemological validation before passing moral judgment or taking action. While I agree that principles should never be compromised, context and perspective need to be objectively evaluated and applied rather than merely blind intrinsic repetition. Regarding Trump, I believe some broad hierarchical recognitions are very consonant with our philosophy.

    Throughout the years, he appears to have a proper identification of the nature of his endeavor, playing the cards he's dealt. More than any past politician, however brash, Trump calls it as he sees it within his known knowledge. Be it the emotional motivations of political correctness, the lies of the "fake news," the embedded corruption, the recognition of good and evil on the world stage, the parasitical nations that feed off our teat, etc., etc... For the most part, the transparency of his thoughts has been unmatched and not hidden behind political speak, spins, alternate agendas, backroom deals, or deceit. It is what it is.

    Dr. Jerome Huyler noted, "Trump has the sense of life of an individualist. His common sense - born of decades of experience as a businessman and dealing with politicians - tells him that taxes and heavy-handed regulations destroy economies. It is true, as Rand said, that common sense is the child's method of thinking. But it is born of empirical experience," the basis of knowledge acquisition.

    We should champion his "America First" mantra. Rand had always said America will never regain its greatness until it changes its altruist morality, and "America First" is just that. It's not some blind German nationalism but an attitude that America's interests need to be selfishly upheld, which is an admirable start, recognizing a necessary fundamental to our ethics. He has attempted to keep open discussions with everyone based on trade and fair exchange. Rand had said, "The trader and the warrior have been fundamental antagonists throughout history." His movement away from aggressive wars, political globalism, and multi-lateral agreements keeps our self-interests paramount. It's the application of the trader principle.

    Lastly, his counter-punch mindset and approach align with our moral rightness of retaliation. He may prod or poke but does not usually pull the proverbial trigger until he's attacked with words or actions.

    While Trump may not be able to articulate his principles with the scientific factuality of Stephen Hawking or the eloquent philosophical consistency of Rand, he still appears to have an "intuitive" common sense, not only of practicality but also of right and wrong. One needs to look at his children to realize some form of proper values is present. His productivity and financial success must be seated in appropriate fundamentals instead of a chaotic, unprincipled achievement, luck, or theft. And many, if not all (including his adversaries) that have personally engaged with him have echoed his likability, exiting acknowledging he's not how he is portrayed.

    A dire threat is facing our country today with the abuses and power of the ingrained bureaucracy weaponized for political purposes. All Americans must unite, led by the voices of reason, to identify and expose this fundamental threat to freedom. It's not about the false alternative of Trump or never Trump; it's about the American system and government's fundamental role, purpose, and responsibilities, regardless of one's political persuasion.

    As Objectivists, we need to continually apply our principles in the real world of what is, slowly moving it to where it should be. We need to descend from the "ivory tower" to the first floor of reality and integrate our values with the ever-changing daily events. With proper context and hierarchy, there should be minimal daylight between the abstract and concretes. Are not what's mentioned above consistent with our most basic and broad fundamental beliefs as Objectivists?

    It appears that we may have lost the very objectivity we find so sacrosanct.
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    • Posted by term2 4 days ago
      AR would surely pillory me for saying this, BUT. Common sense and using the test of what works in reality is a pretty good guide to life. Thats what I use day to day, and I think Trump does the same. I have read Objectivist theories, but they are a bit much for a lot of people. Common sense isnt that difficult.
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    • Posted by $ SpiritWoman 4 days, 15 hours ago
      But the really most important trait in Trump is that he KNEW he would be roasted over the coals, and he did it anyway. He doesn't flinch in the face of disaster.

      What other man in America could have gone through what they have put Trump through, and come up fighting? John Galt shrugged. Trump didn't.
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      • Posted by Tavolino 4 days, 15 hours ago
        Yes, and I don't believe anyone on this site could survive such a deep dive in their life and come out as clean as Trump has. Remember he was a major developer in NY who had to navigate three corrupt groups; the unions, the politicians, and the Italians (you know, the group that doesn't exist, lol), and still they couldn't find any major issues. There's something to be said for that.
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      • Posted by term2 4 days, 1 hour ago
        Yes. And I give credit to Trump for that. He thinks the country is worth it. I am not so sure that I would agree with that. We only live so long and to waste life juices in a continual fight like this seems a lost cause. The economy will surely crash if leftists policies are continually implemented, and maybe we should just wait for that to happen. Shrugging surely accelerates that.....
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        • Posted by $ SpiritWoman 3 days, 23 hours ago
          A sidebar: Communism can't really work in the way intended, by whomever it is intended, unless the entire global production and distribution network is of that same nature.

          Nor can communism or even socialism work unless everyone believes the same thing, and for the same reasons as the above. Communism therefore, MUST be totalitarianist in its methods: banning free speech, concealing truth in various and sundry ways, eliminating truth in history, and creating a history that would satisfy the concepts of Marx.

          There was an RT poster who asked me, in a discussion of means and end, where I had stated that anytime and anywhere communism has been imposed, the murder of millions of people had to occur. Her question was: Isn't the object more foundational than the manner in which it is obtained?

          I told her that was a 'dialectical cop-out'; if to realize an objective requires the imposition of immoral or even criminal actions and behavior (lies and murder), then the object itself is immoral or criminal. In other words, the means and the end must be both the same. They both must be moral.
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        • Posted by $ SpiritWoman 3 days, 23 hours ago
          Do you suppose, term, that that is what it is truly all about? Internationalism vs. nationalism. America crashes so the internationalists can bring her 'into the fold".

          When the USSR collapsed, the Russian Federation could no longer be in control of the 'internationalists.' The amount of time and energy the Left, the Jewish Left in particular, spent trying to prevent the RF from succeeding as a new democracy. Jeffrey Sachs, the economist who compiled the framework for the transition to private ownership of property, failed miserably in his task. I don't think it was intentional on his part, but perhaps he was put in that position by others who knew his economics and methods.

          China and Xi are now in that same position. China seems to be 'transitioning' to a more capitalist and productive economy; will they or even are they, going to be isolated because they cannot be controlled?

          And the other point I want to make, is that internationalism vs nationalism has been around for a long time. Since the late 19th century, at least. Rosa Luxemburg, a Polish Marxist, migrated to Germany and began at once to criticize the culture of the Germans, and attempted to install a sense of internationalism in the people. And look what happened.

          So is that what it is really all about, on a deeper and more profound level?
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          • Posted by $ SpiritWoman 3 days, 22 hours ago
            Where I said "...no longer be in control of the 'internationalists'..." I meant: The RF could no longer be UNDER THE CONTROL of the internationalists.

            I was in a hurry. Sorry.
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  • Posted by gafisher 5 days ago
    Besides the oxymoron of "the libertarian right" (remember that Smallest Political Quiz?) it's well established that many who profess to follow Ayn Rand wouldn't recognize Objectivism if it bit them. In my humble opinion, DJT is as close to Rand as we're likely to see at the top of a major party ticket for now.
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  • Posted by term2 4 days, 22 hours ago
    I will vote for the lesser of two evils in an election, where I stand nothing to gain, but perhaps a lot to lose. In this election, I stand to lose a LOT if Kamala wins and causes the further destruction of the country I am living in.
    I am not fooling myself into thinking that Trump is an objectivist either. He is substantially conflicted intellectually, and harbors a number of inconsistent positions.
    1) Immigration. I do think IF we are going to have a country, we have to have borders and immigration rules as far as citizenship- so Trump is right on this IMHO.
    2) Tariffs- Trump wants huge tariffs to "bring back manufacturing to the USA", I think returning manufacturing to the USA would cause substantial inflation in pricing as companies spend more for the items that they now get from china and other countries. Plus, many things just arent made here anymore, so paying the huge tariffs to "help with the budget deficit" would cause a lot of inflation next year. Trump is just OUT TO LUNCH on this one.
    3) Reducing taxes is great to get votes, but if not part of reducing expenditures, its NOT great. Just means more deficit spending and money printing. Trump is OUT TO LUNCH on this one also.
    4) Foreign affairs is a positive for Trump. Other bad actors will not want to risk problems with the USA with Trump in power. Also, he will NOT get us into useless wars, but will end our participation in current wars in Ukraine and Middle east.
    5) The left will cause legal issues for Trump on essentially anything he tries to do. But he will SLOW down the progression of the left for the next 4 years, which they will HATE.
    6) Hopefully Trump will release the Epstein client list as well as the P Diddy client lists to show the inner working of the elites.
    7) Trump will print money instead of STOPPING deficit spending. He is conflicted on this one. There should NOT be deficit spending.
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    • Posted by VetteGuy 4 days ago
      I think your #5 sums up my feelings pretty close. The Decline is coming. The choice is Slow it down [Trump] or speed it up [Harris].
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      • Posted by term2 4 days ago
        I am 79 and I cant wait for the disaster of the decline to bottom out and perhaps see a resurrection of decent ideas. So, I would rather slow down the decline. after 4 years, the decline will continue though, because the intellectual basis of our society is rotten to the core
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 5 days, 1 hour ago
    That is a long way of saying what I've been saying for years: "There are two choices, or a spite vote". There is absolutely no question a Trump administration better supports freedom than Guy-dum or Kamel-scum-dum. NONE AT ALL.

    I read Reason regularly too. It astonishes me how many Libertarian Trump-negative articles there are. Unless you live in a completely Blue state, like NY, MA or CA where you vote is completely irrelevant, voting for a Libertarian candidate is stupid and spiteful.
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    • Posted by $ rainman0720 4 days, 23 hours ago
      At the risk of starting a pissing contest, why are you limiting the "stupid and spiteful" to just blue states? There are a helluva lot of red states that could go purple, or purple states that could turn blue, if a bunch of people voted Libertarian. And it wouldn't take many states to turn for Commie-la and Tampon Tim to actually get elected.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 4 days, 21 hours ago
    Rand hated the Libertarians. "Leebertarian heepies" she called them. Why? Several reasons, as far as I know.

    1. They took her ideas and used them without attribution. When mentioning her they sometimes misrepresented her. A questioner at Ford Hall Forum demanded that she show support for them, phrased of course as a question. "Why don't you [support we who agree with you]?" Her response was vitriol.

    2. Libertarians include (whether they know it or not) Communists. Rand could always recognize them. Why would Commies join the LP? "The end justifies the means," so it's okay for a Commie to pass himself off as a peaceful Libertarian.

    3. The LP serves to dilute the Republican vote.

    4. The enemies of the republic that is the United States want to set us against each other. "Let's you and he fight."

    Perhaps there is a "plan" behind what ARI is doing. Why did Rand's strikers leave ruin everywhere: Wyatt's Torch, Francisco's silver mines, etc? Those who follow "Q" suggest that Trump is part of a greater plan, a plan that included having Joe Biden as President.

    Perhaps Rand is genuinely one of Trumps heroes. He has read The Fountainhead, and has said (in an interview) “It relates to business (and) beauty (and) life and inner emotions. That book relates to … everything,”

    Why would ARI scorn Trump? I'm waiting to see what happens next.
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    • Posted by term2 4 days, 1 hour ago
      Trump is basically a good guy, but definitely intellectually compromised in the pursuit of actually getting things done. I dont think the general voting populace is ready for a john galt. I wont live forever and if I can get a 60% john galt, its better than 0% john galt (harris).

      The basic reason for a republic instead of a democracy is to prevent the lowest denominator of people from taking over as they are right now.
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    • Posted by Rex_Little 4 days, 14 hours ago
      "They took her ideas and used them without attribution." I heard Rand say that in a Ford Hall Forum speech, and I did a spit-take. John Hospers (the first LP presidential candidate) wrote a campaign book which had countless footnotes referencing Rand's works. If I could find my copy I'd count them, but my memory says there were hundreds.
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      • Posted by term2 4 days, 1 hour ago
        I think that Ayn Rand was into 100% or zero when it came to intellectual ideas. I think she felt libertarians were sort of on board, but intellectually compromised.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 2 days, 19 hours ago
      I think you've left out a big one. Libertarians run the gamut of belief and non-belief, not just in religion but in a lot of oddball practices including the occult. Rand (and Peikoff) did not see beliefs like those as harmless but as signs of irrationality and superstition that lead to Communism and fascism. To me that is Rand falling for the post-hoc fallacy, but it was a major show-stopper for her.
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      • Posted by $ SpiritWoman 2 days, 19 hours ago
        Perhaps Libertarians lean more towards the Libertine philosophies, freedom without responsibility. The feeling you can do whatever you want without consequence for social responsibility.
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        • Posted by $ jdg 2 days, 18 hours ago
          Rand's prolonged affair with Nathaniel Branden suggests that sexual fidelity was not that important to her.
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          • Posted by $ SpiritWoman 2 days, 18 hours ago
            I don't remember typing the word "sex".
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            • Posted by $ jdg 2 days, 18 hours ago
              Libertine means that.
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              • Posted by $ SpiritWoman 2 days, 17 hours ago
                In Piaget's words:

                verbal syncretism: lack of interest in the details of logical correspondences or in the 'how' of causal relations.

                Syncretism of thought: 1) It is non-discursive and goes straight from premise to conclusion in a single intuitive act, without any of the intervening steps of deduction. This happens even when thought is expressed verbally; whereas in the adult, only invention has this intuitive character, exposition being deductive in differing degrees.
                2) It makes use of schemas of imagery and
                3) Of schemas of analogy, both of which are extremely active in the conduct of thought, yet extremely elusive because incommunicable and arbitrary.
                This syncretism is generally marked by a fourth characteristic to which we have already drawn attention, vis., a certain amount of belief or conviction enabling the subject to dispense very easily with any attempt at demonstration.

                And it is pre-causal and ego-centric.
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              • Posted by $ SpiritWoman 2 days, 17 hours ago
                Your comments are perfect examples of syncretism of thought, which in Piaget's observations disappears around the age of 7 or 8, and only because the child has learned new words and ways of forming sentences. The syncretism of thinking is still there, even, I believe, ego-centrism in thinking.

                This type of conceptualizing is called 'pre-causal'.
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  • Posted by JohnRandALL 5 days, 12 hours ago
    I cannot imagine how ARI could be more aligned with Harris than Trump. I think Trump is more aligned with the Objectivist philosophy.
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    • Posted by Rex_Little 5 days ago
      Trump and Harris are both so far from Objectivist or libertarian that it hardly matters which one is closer. The reason we should prefer Trump is that Congress won't work with him no matter which party controls it (recall that he couldn't get his wall funded when both houses were R), so we should be spared any big new agencies or spending programs. These days, that's the best we can reasonably hope for from the Federal government.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov 4 days, 22 hours ago
        One positive thing of note from Trump is his expressed desire to reduce the size of the federal government. He wants to put Elon Musk in charge of improving government efficiency. Whether he can achieve that when the Deep State will fight both of them tooth and nail is another matter, but that goal is heading in the right direction.
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  • Posted by $ Commander 5 days, 14 hours ago
    He does not give any sources to double check.
    I have to treat the source as rhetoric until something substantive, such as recorded video commentary, without soundbite editing, is produced.

    I won't dismiss this. I've seen some publications that put ARI in questionable status, objectively. Nothing conclusive, yet caused me to focus more on the passages.
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  • Posted by mshupe 5 days ago
    Yes, it is true. In one instance, a senior fellow at ARI publicly legitimized the Jan 6th committee of Kinzinger, Cheney, and Co., another vouched for Biden's cognitive ability in 2020, and there's more.
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