Galt's Gulch

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  • Posted by $ Genez 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    I've seen an interesting commentator saying Gavin Newsom is the shadow candidate choice. Claimed there were already campaign ads running in 7 states. (can anyone verify?). Anyway, it seemed fairly plausible. Get enough super delegates at the convention to dump Biden and go for Newsom. Scary part of that scenario is I think there may be some moderates that would go for him over Biden, just because he's younger and slightly more coherent... thus giving the democrats a boost over how Biden would perform..

    The other fascinating part of this is all the people I hear saying "are these really our only choices?"... but then in primaries not enough will vote for someone other than the frontrunner... Or not enough will vote libertarian so that ends up never being a good option... I have voted that way in the past.

    I feel like I have to vote if only to feel like I've done my part but yet thinking it doesn't really make a difference.. of course, I'm in Oklahoma, which will automatically go Trump, so there's that...
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  • Posted by diessos 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    I wonder what happens if (and most probably will) the judge in NYC sentences Trump to prison. It will be 4 days before the RNC convention in Milwaukee.

    This isnt over yet.
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    • Posted by mhubb 4 months, 3 weeks ago
      if new york wants to try and keep some level of sanity so some businesses stay in he state, the appeals court would have to act quickly
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      • Posted by freedomforall 4 months, 3 weeks ago
        The only businesses the DS in NYC (and Albany) care about are those that have government's license to steal.
        Banksters and Wall Street fraudsters have been the source of all non-federal largess in NY for decades.
        Every other NYC business feeds from that sewer stolen from honest productive people worldwide.
        The left has been using that to brainwash otherwise intelligent young people to turn to the dark side.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    The headache the Dims have now is that Jill will fight tooth and nail for Joe to stay the course, and it's likely the zombie President will do as she says. The choice they then have to make is whether or not to throw in the towel via the 25th Amendment. They really don't want Harris as the candidate, as she's less popular than Biden, but with Republican Rep. Chip Roy calling for the 25th, they can blame it on the nasty old GOP if they want.

    Convincing Joe to declare he's not going to run this Fall would mean an open convention, and that would mean chaos, on top of the hell raising intended by Palestinian/Hamas demonstrators. It would likely be worse than the 1968 convention.

    Among the talking heads, Axelrod says Joe has to go, but Chuck Todd says the result would be worse than resigning themselves to just weather the Trump storm and start planning a comeback (which is what he says the behind the scenes power brokers are telling him).

    The alternatives aren't so good: Newsom has crucified California so badly even his great hair can't save him; Whitmer isn't even popular in her own state; Pritzker is a possibility, as the governor of the convention state, but is an unknown; Michelle Obama has made it very clear she isn't interested; that leaves Hillary, which would result in a rematch of the 2016 election, and there are many Democrats who would support that.

    Bottom line from my perspective: Joe will try to hang in there, but if he finally caves, I think Hillary Clinton will be in for the rematch.
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    • Posted by $ 25n56il4 4 months, 3 weeks ago
      Hey, it is not a 'given' the position lands on the VP. The Committee to appoint can chose from many...Sec of State, Speaker of the House, etc down the line. nb
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      • Posted by mhubb 4 months, 3 weeks ago
        ???

        as far as i am aware, if biden the usurper is removed, it goes to the VP

        25th Amendment
        Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

        Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov 4 months, 3 weeks ago
        Technically, if a congressional committee is formed it has to be with the approval of both the House and Senate, so the question is whether or not the Senate Democrats want to risk a committee choosing the Speaker of the House to replace Biden under the 25th. Republicans certainly don't want a President Blinken. If they choose to bypass the VP, it can't be without cause, and no Democrat will support bypassing a VP who's a female POC just because she's a dumbass. That's why I don't see the 25th amendment route going anywhere.
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        • Posted by mhubb 4 months, 3 weeks ago
          you clearly need to read the 25th Amendment
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          • Posted by DrZarkov 4 months, 3 weeks ago
            I have read it, and it says nothing about anyone other than the vice president assuming the president's powers if the president is removed by Congress. However, in any case the VP has to either initiate or agree to the process, and how Congress determines the President should be removed within 48 hours isn't addressed. Will it require a simple majority in both houses, or will the two thirds vote in the Senate be necessary? Also, if the cabinet chooses to disagree with the VP, what other body has the authority to override them? None of that is addressed, and is the reason why I don't see this going anywhere within the time left before the election.
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