Intercollegiate Review debate on This is John Galt

Posted by RichardPoirier 10 years, 3 months ago to The Gulch: General
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There is an unflattering review and debate on Atlas Shrugged Part 3 on the influential Intercollegiate Review website. I encourage those who support Ayn Rand’s philosophy and the third part of the film Atlas Shrugged to go to this college publication website to join in on the debate and express your views. The URL is above. Click on This Is John Galt.
SOURCE URL: http://www.intercollegiatereview.com/index.php/2014/09/17/this-is-john-galt/


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  • Posted by woodlema 10 years, 3 months ago
    The review of ASIII, is fairly accurate. Low budget, numerous inconsistencies not only from the book, but between I, II and III. From I to II, the Taggart/Reardon Bridge went from two sets of tracks to one. Inconsistency. Lots of them.
    Having said that and accepting the review as relatively accurate. The movie was dumbed down.
    The third part of the book was probably the most intellectually challenging part of the book. Only people who can THINK, and comprehend past present and future, correlate their entire education with history can really grasp the full content of the third part of the book.
    Having said this, I think they did a very good job in dumbing the movie down to let the brain-dead of this world begin to grasp the concepts of the storey line.
    John Galt's speech in the book was many, many pages and would haven take two hours in a movie alone. I think they captured the essence of the long speech, nicely hopefully opening the minds of some to actually read the book.

    I want to get the 3 part boxed set and will pay for it too. This 3 part movie is something I am going to make my nieces and nephews watch at least once since kids are too lazy to read a book like this let alone try and understand it. After all you have to start someplace. You don't teach math starting with quantum mechanics, you start with 1+1=2.
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    • Posted by IndianaGary 10 years, 2 months ago
      The Taggart bridge in part 3 is not the same as the one Dagny built for the John Galt Line. This is very clear in both the movie and the book. The Taggert bridge crosses the Mississippi and its destruction severed the country in half. It was built by Nat Taggart, Dagnys grandfather.
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      • Posted by woodlema 10 years, 2 months ago
        Right that one you are referring to looked like a stone bridge. From Part 1 to Part 2,the bridge Dagney and Hank built, was different. Part 1 had two sets of tracks, Part 2 had one set of tracks. Just a minor details, that annoyed me. But then again I am easily annoyed by obvious missed like that.
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        • Posted by IndianaGary 10 years, 2 months ago
          It only had one set of tracks because the track workers were taking the track up to move to other parts of the line. The scene was midway through the process hence one set of tracks was still partially intact.
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          • Posted by woodlema 10 years, 2 months ago
            Ok, then please explain the width of the bridge. When you look at the span of the structure, had they taken up the tracks, the bridge would still be just as wide, less the tracks. It was not. In Part two the bridge would only hold one set of tracks the width of the entire bridge was narrower.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 3 months ago
    here's what I just left on this site:::
    =====================
    I spent 23 years in school, got 3 degrees, and
    lived by Rand's rules; at 65, my success is
    made and my generosity with the poor is a big
    part of the fun in my life. capitalism grows the
    pie -- I am proof. -- j
    ==========================
    might help;;; who knows? == j

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  • Posted by m082844 10 years, 3 months ago
    The movie was bad. It wasn't good, even though parts of it were. A documentary on part III is not the same as experiencing part III. Acting was poor most of the time. The plot was informational rather than art (ie representational of some aspect of reality as an integrated whole). The casting was bad; did anyone know the age descrpency between Francisco and Mrs Taggert. Plot contradictions were hard to ignore ("let's go to the power station and check the levels" only not to check them; and the one guy who's seen john galt at the 20th century motor company (from part II) didn't recognize John in a line up of ten people who were going to be human lanterns?). The suspense seemed superficial. And many more concrete examples all falling under the general "bad movie". I was 1 of 5 at the start; 2 left before the first major scene ended; 2 more left midway; I was the only one who stayed out of loyalty to what AS the movie should have been.

    No one can be smaller than their fortune, Francisco once said, in order to keep it; well, it seems right to say now that no one can be smaller than the story they're telling in order to keep its value.
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    • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 3 months ago
      Yeah, I noticed the 'let's go check the power levels,' too, and that seemed to be a 'failure of continuity' for those scenes. That, to me, just meant that the producers and screenwriters were too easily satisfied (or in love with) their efforts and maybe not open enough to closer reviews and critiques of the scripts before the actors went in front of the cameras.

      I remember reacting to something Eddie Willers' character mouthed in AS1... thinking, "wait a damned minute! Human Beings NEVER construct or say a sentence like that!"... whatever it was... It's jarring for folks like me who actually are trying to follow the flow of scenes and dialogue when a mental speed-bump gets in the way.

      But what do I know? A fair amount, it turns out, but just not in a position of influence.
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  • Posted by NealS 10 years, 3 months ago
    Perhaps the whole thing can be made over some day after Hollywood either swings to the right, or swings out of politics altogether. Nah, it will never happen. As with most films, the book was much better. We do have a large group of people in this country that either can't read or won't. They depend on film, just like they depend on Jon Stewart's show for their news. And yes, I went to see if it ended in a "d" or a "t" and that's where I found his first name was missing the "h". I don't watch him but perhaps once every few years.
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  • Posted by sfdi1947 10 years, 3 months ago
    A Rebuttal of Ludicrous Thought:
    The whole of Rand’s Objectivist Ideology, co-opted wholly from Capitalist theory, that Private Ownership, Profit, and Open Markets are the antithesis of Progressive, Totalitarian, Marxist ‘Social Justice’ is clearly and effectively explained in these three movies.
    That the cast changes in not unusual in an indie film series where the message is more important than films that are big budget Hollywood mindless bemusement films with a pseudo messages like “There Will Be Blood,” a creepy examination of the evils of big oil and the early days of that industry. Examine, if you will, the singular dollar cost of keeping Jennifer Lawrence, Liam Hemsworth and the others on retainer for six years and you will know why indie films can’t do that.
    The assertion that Rand is wrong, that “State Capitalism,” aka. Socialism, Totalitarianism (i.e.: Common Core, Obama Care), is the right way is beyond the absurd. Our national economy has been crippled by the State (Crony) Capitalists who have held the helm since Coolidge, and despite the post Truman resurgence of American Capitalism under Eisenhower and Kennedy, the degradation continued until Clinton delivered a wounding blow by deregulating the investment risk market in 1999. Our national economy, already hung on the cross of our public funded and unfunded liabilities was finally speared in the heart by the Reid-Pelosi Progressive Majority in 2006. Everything since was just throwing good money after bad.
    True recovery from the malaise can only come from the complete reversal of the Progressive extension of government and regulation that has occurred since 1934. The revitalization of our nation and of western assimilative democracy depends on this reversal as we face the possibility of an Eleventh Crusade, a struggle for our very existence.
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  • Posted by LionelHutz 10 years, 3 months ago
    Looks about right to me...
    It's got one funny line in it regarding the Torture scene. "Does he relent, agree to play ball, be a moocher, a quisling, a plodder? I don’t want to give away the ending, but I will anyway. He’s just fine. Remember: it’s a government-made torture machine."
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  • Posted by slfisher 10 years, 3 months ago
    "Which is why I think, dare I say it, that the original Atlas, for all its flaws, deserved better than this film. My libertarian friends deserved better. My eyeballs deserved better."

    I can't argue with this.

    And I did love the line about the "Libertarian Left Behind."
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  • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 3 months ago
    I found the review to be fairly balanced, and that surprised me. Personally, as an 'amateur critic' I found lots of flaws in the execution of each 'episode,' though I thought the messaging of AS3 came through a lot more clearly than it did in the first two... but hey, that's what 'final episodes' are about!

    Most of the folks bitching about one thing or another in AS3, like many commenters to the review, knew that they'd hate everything about it because... well, you know why... the whole theme is anathema to their personal beliefs about freedom, control, capitalism and everything associated with them, including Rand. (Ayn, anyway.)

    But in the end, I felt that even seeing only AS3, a 'naïve viewer' could fairly well be expected to 'get the message' of Atlas Shrugged, and I've promoted it to several strangers as such.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 3 months ago
    Except for the attitude that the writer apparently thought was entertaining, I agree with the basic conclusion: everyone who saw it deserved a better AS3.
    In order of quality best to worst:
    AS1 fair to good
    AS2 fair
    AS3
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