The God of the Machine - Tranche 28

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Chapter XIII, Excerpt 1 of 1
Slavery, the Fault in the Structure

Feeble governments are those which have no adequate and legitimately instrumented opposition from the regional bases and the mass veto. Utter incompetence in government is finally achieved by what is called absolute power, whether by the name of democracy or as candid despotism. The continuance of slavery made it impossible for the Bill of Rights to limit the state governments as well as the federal government. This moral defect caused an equivalent structural defect.

Unless this distinction between stipulated powers and intrinsic strength is understood, there can be no relevant discussion of the subject. Human affairs are in the realm of moral law, which is of a higher order than mechanical law. The outcome may confound measurable probabilities. The potential of a nation cannot be appraised quantitatively. It consists in abstract ideas, in axioms of human relations. If slavery had not been admitted to the Constitution on tolerance, its original design was marvelously sound.

The appearance was delusive. Suddenly the free economy began to take over a greater territory than the area which accrued to slavery. The wealth and power of free-standing states increased by geometrical progression. The truth is that the South was not a real agrarian economy; it had no economy of its own, lacking the generator for a local circuit. In resorting to war, the slave states committed the moral error of repudiating a contract after taking special advantage through it.


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  • Posted by bobsprinkle 1 year, 4 months ago
    Damn...it took me 10 minutes to fully (I think) interpret the first sentence of this posting. Still working on the rest.
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    • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
      Yes, I think because it condenses so much of what went before it in this book. The foundation of strong and effective government is decentralized down to the individual - not democracy, but the withholding of economic output and social legitimacy.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 1 year, 4 months ago
    One of the greatest human strengths is to learn from one’s own and others mistakes.

    The South’s main trading partner for cotton was Great Britain which was a classed society. Self-respect was gauged by which class one was born into. Class mobility was almost non-existent. Hence, after the slaves were freed, many, or perhaps most, southerners could not convince themselves to think of the freed slaves as fellow citizens.

    The Civil War ended in 1865, yet Emmitt Till 13 years of age was tortured and hung in 1955 by the Klu Klux Klan. Senators and, at least, one Supreme (Hugo Black) were members of the KKK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux...

    Given the racial strife in today’s America, I wonder if we Americans will ever reach the point where we look upon each other as unique and equal citizens under the Constitution? Whether or not we can attain the truly fundamental basis of civilized human relationships viz. What is yours is yours and what is mine is mine?
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    • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
      I'm convinced that the "racial strife in today's America" is 99% manufactured by the Democratic party. That is who they are. It's what they do.
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      • Posted by j_IR1776wg 1 year, 4 months ago
        I agree that the Democrats are that responsible in "today's America". However, you must recall that racial strife has beset mankind for several millennia including the Roman Empire. The sixth Babylonian king, Hammurabi, left behind a stele of laws, some of which, described the proper care of slaves.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 4 months ago
      "The South’s main trading partner for cotton was Great Britain..."

      Yes. And a large measure of the South's fortunes were tied to the empty space in the warehouses of British textile manufacturers. Once those warehouses filled, the price of cotton cratered. This coincided with the start of the Civil War.

      "Given the racial strife in today’s America..."

      Most of that is manufactured by race hustlers and Democrats. Most people are pretty eager to live and let live. It is sad, yet ironic, that the so-called "oppressed" minorities do most of the oppression themselves: we see it in their song and music lyrics, their cultures, and their continuance of grievances long dead. It reminds me of the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip: opportunity is a few hundred yards away and yet the political agitators insist on manufacturing fear and hate.
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      • Posted by j_IR1776wg 1 year, 4 months ago
        "It is sad, yet ironic, that the so-called "oppressed" minorities do most of the oppression themselves..."

        There was a book written in the 1960's, I believe, by the Communist Party of the USA. It suggested that Marxists use the black citizens of America to foment a race war and revolution to help destroy America, its Constitution, and our Individual Rights.

        I think this book is being used as a playbook to create BLM and Antifa funded by Soros and the Democratic Party - and it is working, sadly.
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        • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
          To me, no doubt about. It used to seem astounding, now predictable that progressive democrats project all of their vices onto their opponents. Whatever book it was, it makes sense that Frank Marshall Davis may have been influenced, and in turn, Barry Obozo.
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          • Posted by j_IR1776wg 1 year, 4 months ago
            "...It used to seem astounding, now predictable that progressive democrats project all of their vices onto their opponents..."

            The age-old technique of the tyrant: Take credit for the achievements of others and blame others for one’s own mistakes. The quest for the unearned and the avoidance of personal responsibility for evil deeds done. Sounds like some characters a book I thrice read.
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      • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
        Thanks, I didn't realize the price of had cotton tanked in 1860, but I wonder how much that had to do with secession and firing on Ft. Sumter. I believe the election of Lincoln had everything to do with it.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 4 months ago
          "I believe the election of Lincoln had everything to do with it."

          Check your history before making unfounded assumptions. These events were already in progress. Cotton had been king for forty+ years, enabling the South to grow rich off the backs of slavery. The US was almost the exclusive exporter of cotton to the world, but the consumption/demand had been exceeded by the supply and prices were starting to drop even in the late 1850's. I know its popular in today's age to blame everything on the President, but back in those days the President didn't have much power (as it should be).
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          • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
            I am checking my history and not making unfounded assumptions. To say that prices were dropping precipitously as production efficiencies improved and supply was exceeding demand is a pedestrian concept and not a cause for war. In fact, it's entirely possible that the election of Lincoln may have been the catalyst that triggered a violent response from mercantilist oligarchs who were convinced by the determinist history of Hegel and the determinist philosophy of the Bible and felt cornered. Sadly, it is the revisionist history of 'state's rights' that is today's popular version of the causes of the Civil War. There is no such thing as 'state's rights'.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 4 months ago
              "To say that prices were dropping precipitously as production efficiencies improved and supply was exceeding demand is a pedestrian concept and not a cause for war."

              I never intimated that the price of cotton had anything to do with the beginning of hostilities. I used the term "coincided." You were the one who argued that Lincoln had everything to do with [the drop in prices]. I pointed out that prices had begun to drop before the Presidential race (not to mention the fact that Lincoln wasn't even a national legislator at that point, so he couldn't have had ANY effect on national trade policies, etc.)

              I know people tend to want to blame things on specific people, but it looks to me like the South was a victim of its own success.

              "it's entirely possible..."

              You're welcome to speculate, but let's try to back it up with some actual events. At that point (1860), what was the most powerful government in the world? Great Britain. They had the most extensive land controls in the world and the most extensive trading networks. If they felt "threatened" by the sudden cut in the cotton supply, wouldn't they have jumped in and sided with the Confederacy? Yet they didn't, despite numerous entreaties from Southern Representatives. Great Britain wouldn't even sell the South arms. The few ships they did build for the South were completed but had to be sailed to the Caribbean for outfitting with cannons. And Great Britain would only accept payment in gold. (This from the Oxford History of the United States .) Seems like very strange behavior for a bunch of "mercantilist oligarchs..."

              As for the States rights question, that's a matter of Federalism. The original idea in the Constitution was to have the States act as a check on the Federal government. That power (to check federal government overreach) has been all but squashed due to Supreme Court precedents (especially those regarding the Commerce Clause and General Welfare Clause), federal government "aid" to State programs, the popular election of Senators (as opposed to State legislature appointment), and - I dare say - the funding of political candidates by national parties. In effect, Federalism has been replaced by tyranny and supremacy of the administrative State.
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    • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
      I believe every society on earth was a classed society. The most liberty enhanced was 17th century Netherlands and their colony on Manhatans. One lesson from this book is that the long energy circuit is internal (Roman republic empire) or a parasite on other productive societies. In the early 19th century West, the creation of economic and social mobility was in its infancy.
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 1 year, 4 months ago
    I wish some of her statements were provided with more explanation. For example, she has stated that democracy leads inevitably to despotism. In this section she says "the South was not a real agrarian economy; it had no economy of its own," But as I recall, the south had a pretty healthy agrarian economy based on cotton and tobacco.

    I don't doubt her statements, and my grasp of history is certainly no match for hers, but some additional explanation would be helpful. I do sense a bit of regional bias in this chapter. Apparently she was from Canada. I grew up and went to school in Alabama.
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    • Posted by j_IR1776wg 1 year, 4 months ago
      It was a commodity economy subject to market forces. It produced “…two-thirds of the world’s supply of cotton.” A change in the weather, pirates, and supply and demand foibles could cause economic ruin overnight.

      “In 1860, the South was still predominantly agricultural, highly dependent upon the sale of staples to a world market. By 1815, cotton was the most valuable export in the United States; by 1840, it was worth more than all other exports combined. But while the southern states produced two-thirds of the world's supply of cotton, the South had little manufacturing capability, about 29 percent of the railroad tracks, and only 13 percent of the nation's banks. The South did experiment with using slave labor in manufacturing, but for the most part it was well satisfied with its agricultural economy.”

      https://www.nps.gov/articles/industry...
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      • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
        Yes, and without industrial England and the industrial north, the market for their cotton would have been exceedingly small by comparison. The manufacturing efficiencies and their consequent price declines and variety of cloth changed by orders of magnitude. They were totally dependent on societies that were moving rapidly toward capitalism.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 4 months ago
          It's largely a myth that the North was heavily into manufacturing. That didn't really start to take off until well into the Civil War. The North was almost as agrarian as the South going into the 1860's. They did have key benefits, however, in terms of transportation infrastructure which the South eschewed fearing it would help slaves escape. The North dominated in terms of steel manufacturing and ship building and in addition dominated rail transport - especially at the end of the war. And not only rail but canal projects and waterworks, which the South was largely devoid of. These huge advantages in terms of transportation allowed the Northern economy to expand much faster than that of the South and to take advantage of technological breakthroughs like the loom (memorized and brought to America by Francis Cabot Lowell).
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        • Posted by j_IR1776wg 1 year, 4 months ago
          Eli Whitney (form Massachusetts) invented the cotton gin in 1793. It was widely used by slaves to separates seeds from cotton. You would think that by 1860, they should have had a thriving industry in cotton towels, cotton sweaters, cotton sleepwear, etc. I guess the lack of an energy circuit dead ended any entrepreneurial ideas in utero.
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          • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
            To me, that's an interesting development. My first thought was that the cotton gin would help eliminate the need for slave labor, but in fact it increased the demand. I guess they were able to grow a lot more cotton because it could be processed for shipment much faster. I think the energy circuit may need to be thought of in terms of Say's Law of Markets: production creates its own demand, producers are consumers, the more people produce the more they have to spend and the faster they want to spend it. Productive workers in a free economy spend money - not slaves. This because of the integration of their minds and bodies. For slaves, no such luck.
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    • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
      These are highly condensed excerpts. As mentioned in the intro to this series, one primary objective is to motivate people to study the book. In this case, she doesn't explicitly analyze the economy of the antebellum south, but it can be inferred from previous chapters that it was highly dependent on the more free economies of its customers.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
    There are some radical ideas packed into this post, and by radical, I mean the correct usage of the term in a socioeconomic context: a thorough divergence from the common wisdom. Paragraph 1: Centralized and absolute political power = a feeble and incompetent government. Paragraph 2: Including and especially economics, human affairs are not subject to mechanical law. Paragraph 3: Mercantilist systems, like any collectivist system, including welfare states, cannot stand on their own and must resort to war.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 1 year, 4 months ago
    "Feeble governments are those which have no adequate and legitimately instrumented opposition from the regional bases and the mass veto. Utter incompetence in government is finally achieved by what is called absolute power, whether by the name of democracy or as candid despotism."

    Can this be a prophetical description of China 2023? Xi's rule is absolute. Does the steeply declining birth rate mean the Chinese people are using the mass veto to not reproduce in protest?

    I think the world is plunging toward a re-alignment whose outcome no one can accurately predict.
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    • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
      As Doug Casey pointed out, the statists in the largest countries are more aligned with each other than with their residents. For each of them, their greatest threat and enemy is domestic. They all agree on that, and China may be the furthest along toward a breakdown. Theirs is the most centralized and corrupt. Today, it's very high unemployment and inflation, created by their command and control economy and massive currency debasement that may be waking up their passive population.
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 1 year, 4 months ago
    Later in this chapter (on the last page of the chapter in my copy) IP discusses Reconstruction. One hardly ever hears about reconstruction any more, but going to school in Alabama in the 1960's, we studied it. I found the following of her comments quite interesting.

    "Being made by force, the rebuild structure still contained a physical defect corresponding to the moral defect. The Reconstruction Act was immediate evidence; it wiped out the states as political entities."

    "In political organization the specific act implies a continuing power."

    "The destruction was done by the usurpation of state powers by the Federal government as by right of conquest."
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    • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
      To me, that was a difficult chapter to condense. It would be easy to conclude that Paterson did not support the popular intent of these amendments to the extent we all know to be right. I think that would be a mistake. This book is about the foundation and machinery of government. The objective could have been achieved without wrecking the machine. More on that later.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 4 months ago
      What many people do not realize is that most "Reconstruction" was utterly corrupt because of Andrew Johnson. Johnson was a Democrat despite being Lincoln's running mate. When Lincoln was assassinated, Johnson assumed the Presidency. Johnson was sympathetic to slavery and immediately ordered all Union soldiers home, abandoning former slaves and other blacks still living in the South to the depradations of vengeful Southerners - especially those who embraced the Ku Klux Klan. Lacking the enforcement of sympathetic soldiers, there were several massacres of blacks attempting to vote. And while several history books attempt to place the blame on "Republican carpet-baggers" the reality is that without the Union soldiers presence to oversee the rebuilding, the moneys which were sent to help the South frequently found their ways into the pockets of Southern Democrats who used the funds to suppress the black vote and to racially restrict the disbursement of those funds. It is no surprise that Johnson was impeached and only the Southern States' votes prevented him from becoming the first President ever removed from office.
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