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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 3 months ago
    Ignore 2 ignore 4 ignore 9 ignore 10.

    First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a communist;
    Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a socialist;
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a trade unionist;
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a Jew;
    Then they came for me—
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.
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  • Posted by ISank 10 years, 3 months ago
    If I had a child and I do not, by 16 the youth should be able to the difference between American and French oak, between a Cabernet and a Zinfandel, and of course between Sauvignon blanc and Pinot Grigio.

    But to the story....any judge would be nuts to uphold that pathetic attempt at control.

    So let's all raise a glass and say "hallelujah , we do Not live in jersey!"

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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 10 years, 3 months ago
      Exactly! The reason this is a problem is because we deny the kinds this right, and reserve it for adults.
      Do have kids. Do allow them to try at home. They both hate the taste, and do not partake...so they can't tell the difference between anything. Have I failed in their education or is there a chance to recover? :)
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 3 months ago
    Did they miss the part in the constitution about Unreasonable search and seizure? Who do they think they are - the militia of George III?

    That they're even considering this is an affront to the nation they live in. Obviously were cutting school during the "civics" class where they talked about the difference between Freedom and Slavery...

    Come into MY house unannounced without a warrant, and you'll likely find Uncle Smith and Cousin Wesson taking a hard line upon your butt... It's not really about underage drinking, its about showing you that you're serfs to the all mighty and holy Gubmint.
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  • Posted by jemhouston 10 years, 3 months ago
    I doubt his would survive the ACLU lawsuit, let alone the first home owner suing when admittance is refused.

    This is wrong on so many levels. I hope who ever thought of this is defeated the next time they're up for election.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 3 months ago
    Does anyone at any level of government in this country have any respect for the Constitution?
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    • Posted by $ jdg 10 years, 3 months ago
      Why would they, when no court or cop in the country will hold them personally answerable to it, despite their oaths?

      One of the things a constitutional convention will need to take up is to strip all officials of their immunity. But until then they will answer to no one, unless someone successfully takes up arms against them (and I doubt that).
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      • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 3 months ago
        Yes on stripping officials of immunity, though I don't know of anyplace in the Constitution that implies immunity. I can't imagine that the founding generation would have thought that such an idea was proper.
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    • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 3 months ago
      It’s not that, Zen...it’s they don’t have a high enough IQ to understand the Constitution. They don’t know how to repair broken pieces of society after their silly laws don’t hold up or make a bad situation worse.
      Take for instance my county: underage drinking is illegal, which to me is okay, BUT, a kid can drink in his own home with his parent’s consent.There is no limit. There is no boundary. This contradiction of the spirit of the law causes a break-down of it’s enforcement. Which is why there are certain homes that always become the ‘party’ house in high school. A couple of my neighbors buy six-packs for their teenage boys on the weekends and they are perfectly within their legal right to do so. But some parents--make it a twelve pack--some parents make it a bottle of rum. ???
      Then they feign surprise when minors who are not their kids: show-up, get drunk, and then get the home owner fined thousands of dollars per minor for under-age drinking on the premise.
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      • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 3 months ago
        Mimi, it's not just IQ. It's also just plain old common sense. Everyone should realize that a teen's brain isn't fully developed until the mid 20's, including their emotional and reasoning development. Alcohol and any other drug affects those developments. Far too many parents want to be their children's friends rather than their mentors.
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  • Posted by gerstj 10 years, 3 months ago
    Warrantless entry based upon some undefined allegation. This is carte blanche for police entry anytime and will lead to swat type dynamic entries when homeowners refuse access. A judge needs to stop this quickly should it actually become law.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 3 months ago
    If this foolishness passes, just wait until the first police officer is killed after entering a residence with no warrant unannounced.
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  • Posted by CTYankee 10 years, 3 months ago
    Hmmm.. well OK, I was able to post two responses in two different fora, plus right here makes three.

    The Fourth Amendment is supposed to be a check on the Police Powers of government..
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 3 months ago
    I agree with ISank. What is wrong with underage drinking? Let's add a verse about 'underage drinking' to the below poem:

    Jan

    THE MODERN BABY
    by William Croswell Doane

    "The hand that rocks the cradle"—but there is no such hand;
    It is bad to rock the baby, they would have us understand;
    So the cradle's but a relic of the former foolish days
    When mothers reared their children in unscientific ways—
    When they jounced them and they bounced them, these poor dwarfs of long ago—
    The Washingtons and Jeffersons and Adamses, you know.

    They warn us that the baby will possess a muddled brain
    If we dandle him or rock him - we must carefully refrain.
    He must lie in one position, never swayed and never swung,
    Or his chance to grow to greatness will be blasted while he's young.
    Ah! To think how they were ruined by their mothers long ago—
    The Franklins and the Putnams and the Hamiltons, you know.

    Then we must feed the baby by the schedule that is made,
    And the food that he is given must be measured out or weighed.
    He may bellow to inform us that he isn't satisfied,
    But he couldn't grow to greatness if his wants were all supplied.
    Think how foolish nursing stunted those poor weaklings, long ago—
    The Shakespeares and the Luthers and the Buonapartes, you know.

    We are given a great mission, we are here today on earth
    To bring forth a race of giants, and to guard them from their birth,
    To insist upon their freedom from the rocking that was bad
    For our parents and their parents, scrambling all the brains they had.
    Ah! If they'd been fed by schedule would they have been stunted so?
    The Websters and the Lincolns and the Roosevelts, you know.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 3 months ago
      Actually, they've done developmental studies that show that drugs and alcohol have a disproportionate amount of effect on teenagers and that the effects can permanently affect them because their brains are not fully developed yet.

      I would also add this for thought: if the goal of the Objectivist is to encourage the use of the mind, why would you muddle it up by inhibiting its full function? Seems to me that the safest course of action is to stay away from that stuff and maintain your ability to make rational decisions.
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      • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 3 months ago
        The reason why is simple, and social. I learned from my parents that alcohol was something that was served with dinner or at a social gathering. It was an aspect of elegance and interesting conversation. I drank alcohol in these settings since I was six years old (heavily watered and in a tiny tiny glass). As a result, I never had the 'binge til you drop' attitude towards alcohol that many (/most) other young people had.

        It is not a question over whether or not a teenager will drink - they are going to do this. But if you force it into an 'evil clandestine binge' format, then you exaggerate the negative results (binge drinking is much worse than customary drinking in moderate amounts).

        It is better for parents to have the option of raising their children to civilized drinking habits. And it is no bloody business of the government if they choose to do this.

        Jan
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 10 years, 3 months ago
    I can see the potential for abuse here...not by the police, but by the residents...

    "911"
    "Oh, I think there's some sort of party going on...I think there's underage drinking going on, but I don't know...I just thought you should know."

    "Thank you for the information, we're sending a unit over to investigate."

    (At the caller's home upon hanging up the call) ` HAHA, that'll get em! They won't mess with me next time!

    Similar to "swatting' only this time local yokal guys...no MRAPS...not at this time...not yet anyway.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 3 months ago
    City can consider it all they want... the Constitution says, "oh, you want a Warrantless search? well, let me introduce you to my little buddy... Amendment 2...
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 3 months ago
    Man.... I can't imagine somebody just coming into my house. To see if my kids are drinking? Are you friggin kidding me? That's a great way to get yourself in trouble.
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  • Posted by starbird56 10 years, 3 months ago
    Texas law allows minors to drink as long as the parent is present. I know the stated target of this proposal is parties, but it might also include a family having some wine with dinner.
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