The Errors of Ayn Rand Why I No Longer Consider Myself an Objectivist

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“ In the summer of my 16th year, my mother gave me her tattered old copy of Atlas Shrugged. “Read it,” she said. “And learn how the world really works.”1

I was, as teenagers tend to be, suspicious. And the cover jacket seemed to suggest this was a book about… a motor that didn’t work? a missing person named John? A woman who liked trains? Not exactly my usual fare. But years earlier, my mother had introduced me to Tolkien, Howard, Heinlein, and Asimov; she had truly never steered me wrong. So I read Atlas Shrugged.”
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  • Posted by mhubb 1 year, 3 months ago
    times change...

    100+ years ago if you did not like how things were going, you could leave

    today there is not place to "leave" to
    government is everywhere
    those that think they have the right and power to tell you how to live are everywhere

    so until we have "starships" we are stuck dealing with them.....

    Ayn Rand was not perfect
    she gave us a different way to look at the world
    how many others can say that?
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 1 year, 3 months ago
    What the author identifies as "Error #4", forgetting reproduction, is something that has occurred to me as well. None of the primary characters have children. Only one minor character in part 3 has children she has brought to the Gulch.

    A strict interpretation of the oath to "never live for the sake of another man" would be hard to live up to when it comes to raising children.
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    • Posted by kddr22 1 year, 3 months ago
      She did not forget, in many of her nonfiction writings and her interviews she talks about that the parental child relationship is different just not unlimited. You put up with more from your parents as they took care of you when you were helpless to do so but that it is not an unlimited claim
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      • Posted by kddr22 1 year, 3 months ago
        The capacity to procreate is merely a potential which man is not obligated to actualize. The choice to have children or not is morally optional. Nature endows man with a variety of potentials--and it is his mind that must decide which capacities he chooses to exercise, according to his own hierarchy of rational goals and values.
        To an animal, the rearing of its young is a matter of temporary cycles. To man, it is a lifelong responsibility--a grave responsibility that must not be undertaken causelessly, thoughtlessly or accidentally.

        In regard to the moral aspects of birth control, the primary right involved is not the "right" of an unborn child, nor of the family, nor of society, nor of God. The primary right is one which--in today's public clamor on the subject--few, if any, voices have had the courage to uphold: the right of man and woman to their own life and happiness--the right not to be regarded as the means to any end.

        Source: The Voice of Reason, "Of Living Death," p. 55, by Ayn Rand , Jun 30, 1990
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 1 year, 3 months ago
    I'm not sure I buy into the idea of "Nous" as he calls it. To me, a better explanation is that there are parts of brain function we just don't (yet?) understand. There certainly seems to be components of instinct (genetic?) along with learning and reasoning. Why a person does specific things may not be fully understood, but I think that is mainly because we never know ALL of the situations an individual is exposed to, nor all of the "instincts" that were encoded in his DNA.

    That said, I do believe in intuition. My wife's intuitions (ok, I know that sounds sexist) are much better than mine. But I'm much more hesitant to act on intuition unless I can find some logic behind it.

    It's also my firm belief that if a race of superior aliens ever does find us, that they will laugh their butts off at "quantum physics" and "the uncertainty principal".
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    • Posted by 1 year, 3 months ago
      Yes Laurel and Hardy meets the Stooges meets the Marx Brothers comes to mind for some odd reason. Re: the wife’s intuition and the husband’s , this I know to be true , at least in my experience.
      If the momma ain’t happy , nobody happy….. if the daddy ain’t happy nobody care.
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 1 year, 3 months ago
    I found this passage very interesting:

    "The empowering message of quantum mechanics is that the empirical data of everyday life, and also our intuitions, are generally veridical, not delusional; and hence that our mental resolves can often help bring causally to pass the bodily actions we mentally intend. The role of our minds is to help us, not to deceive us"

    Unfortunately, today, I see more and more examples where the "intuitions" which people rely on ARE delusional, and their minds ARE deceiving them.
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    • Posted by 1 year, 3 months ago
      Those examples are the successful result of behaviorism. Brainwashing with a concealed purpose, we have been watching a death cult
      Feverishly do what they do best . Twist , distort and pervert reality. Control the culture , control the mocking bird media. Control Education control population.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 1 year, 3 months ago
    “… “The concept of a supernatural being is a contradiction in terms: it is a concept that subverts and contradicts the fundamental premises of human cognition. […] The concept of God is incommensurable with reason; it is an invalid, irrational, self-contradictory concept.”

    I nowadays find these views in grave error, for two reasons. First, I believe she is wrong about “non-rational” means of knowing. Not only do non-rational means of knowing exist, their existence is necessary for reason to function. Rand delighted in the Age of Reason, but the Age of Reason failed to defend reason…”

    I recently wrote on this site “Humans are capable of three things that no other mammal can do viz. Reason, Emotions, and Imagination. The tool of Reason is logic specifically Aristotle’s logic as found in his Organon. The tool of Emotions is Faith. The tool of Imagination is Creativity. Properly integrated, these three functions allow we humans to Think…”

    Underlying Reason and Logic is the evidence of our senses. Seeing, tasting, hearing, touching, and smelling are the only ways our brains can apprehend the reality of the universe. That apprehension of reality comes in the form of data which our brains attempt to comprehend. If there is no data, there is no knowledge. Or as Sabine Hossenfelder wrote in her book Existential Physics, “…Provided that – and here’s the crux – your search for meaning respects scientific facts.
    If your belief conflicts with empirically confirmed knowledge, then you are not seeking meaning; you are delusional…”

    The author of the article you quote wrote “I nowadays find these views in grave error, for two reasons. First, I believe she is wrong about “non-rational” means of knowing. Not only do non-rational means of knowing exist, their existence is necessary for reason to function…” but offers no data to support his assertion that “…non-rational means of knowing exist…”

    How? By what means does he come to this conclusion? What proofs does he offer?
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 1 year, 3 months ago
    I seemed to come to this thru insight, which in of itself may be proof enough of the concept.

    "The contemporary consensus that consciousness is an epiphenomenon and free will is non-existent is incorrect. “Our minds become endowed, by means of the quantum mechanical dynamical rules, with the power to influence the macroscopic properties of matter, without themselves being totally predetermined by material properties alone… The empowering message of quantum mechanics is that the empirical data of everyday life, and also our intuitions, are generally veridical, not delusional; and hence that our mental resolves can often help bring causally to pass the bodily actions we mentally intend. The role of our minds is to help us, not to deceive us, as the materialist philosophy must effectively maintain.” Source: Quantum Theory & Free Will, Henry Stapp "

    And this says it all about Rand and this subject: "Interestingly enough, Rand seems to have been aware — at least on a subconscious level — of this weakness in her philosophy. According to her biographers, Rand originally intended to include a Catholic priest named Father Amadeus in Atlas Shrugged. He was to be a moral counterpart to John Galt, representing a form of moral absolutism that contrasted with the moral relativism of the villains and the rational egoism of the heroes. " []

    Understanding that purposed causation is necessary to account for our evolution into introspection, perhaps through quantum realities of the non physical mind, to control the physical brain and perceive reality itself.
    This evolution, I portend, took place approximately 2500 to 3000 years ago; { Julian Jaynes }
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    • Posted by 1 year, 3 months ago
      So glad you commented on this. I certainly thought of many of your comments regarding consciousness pertained to this discussion.
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 1 year, 3 months ago
        I take no credit because it came to me, not from me. [] it came thru the ether, the interweb for the mind, created exclusively, for conscious human kind.
        In other words: I had no intellectual, educational or foresight knowledge, therefore it must have been a quantum "insight".
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