Objective Analysis of AS3

Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 3 months ago to Entertainment
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I am trying to avoid a best movie/worst movie polarization on this thread. (If that is your theme, please post on one of the several other threads active on this topic.)

Here is the question I pose: If you could change ONE SCENE in the movie - which would it be? Please explain why you chose that scene and how your changes would improve the movie.

Jan


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  • Posted by terrycan 10 years, 3 months ago
    I would have added scenes with Rearden. The wet nurse dying in his arms and Rearden storming out of the meeting with James Taggert, and Wesley Mooche. A little bitchy Lillian Rearden scene would have added some spice.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago
      I think we were all puzzled by the absence of Rearden in AS3. He was such a pivotal character in the first two movies...I can accept that the focus changes, but leaving him out entirely seems a bit harsh.

      Jan
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  • Posted by cruiseladytexas 10 years, 3 months ago
    Instead of talking about project X in a building and getting Sadler's signature, I wish they had included the scene of destruction where they weaponized what was supposed to be a device of public security. Without it, the evil turn of the government is not made clear.
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    ...a world where Dr. Robert Stadler is summoned by Dr. Floyd Ferris to the first public demonstration of the State Science Institute's "Project X" a secret invention of which Stadler knows nothing. The media and national figures are present, including Mr. Thompson, head of state. Ferris announces that Project X is a sonic ray device "an invaluable instrument of public security" with a radius of a hundred miles. It is, he announces, a practical application of Stadler's own scientific theories: in fact, Stadler's ideas and reputation allowed the project to be planned and funded. The physicist and onlookers are horrified when, in the demonstration, the ray annihilates a distant farm. But when Ferris hands him a prepared speech to reassure the crowd, Stadler meekly obeys.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago
      Good point, cruiseladytexas. And one could cut a lot of the torture scene - which was kinda sorta cobbled together - to fit this Project X scene in. I think that if the movie had been cut after Ferguson there would have been a stronger impetus to show how the police had been 'weaponized' by Project X.

      I would definitely go for your scene in the movie.

      Jan
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  • Posted by cranedragon 10 years, 3 months ago
    I would exchange the Colorado scenery [and leave Eddie to his fate as Ayn Rand did] in exchange for either: the fight at the factory and Francisco's revelation to Hank Rearden or Dagny's speech on her return from the Valley when the government had tried to shame her into supporting the Railroad Unification Act and she gloried in her affair with Rearden instead..
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago
    Let me start this of with my One Scene to Change: The Love Scene. (Surprised?)

    Why? I was embarrassed by this scene, not because of the sexuality but because of its position in the plot line. We had a plot of 'Dagny gets the trains moving in spite of all obstacles'. This element, and the corresponding narrow-gauge rail discussion in the Gulch, show us why Dagny qualifies to be in the Gulch. But then we get the plot line: Dagny says a few words about red and green cellophane on lanterns and then says 'do what your bosses say' and goes of to screw JG. This is not a good display of a quality character.

    Suggested change: Dagny gives her cellophane and lanterns speech, then you see the (existing) scene with the engineer with walkie-talkie being able to see the manual switch light through the fog, then you see the (new scene) next manual switch lantern - and it is Dagny with one of those horrible yellow slickers over her evening gown, manning a post. Then you see JG doing likewise on a different switchpoint. Then. After the system is going, the 'shift' changes and other folks take over the now-established system. NOW Dagny and JG seek each other out for a love scene.

    What this does for the movie: Dagny is a thin character who, more than just metaphorically, is carried through scene after scene. This 'true grit' plot element shows that she has the integrity to carry out her convictions and lead from the front. This provides an 'evidence' of what AS means rather than just a declamation of it.

    I think these changes could have occupied a couple of minutes of screen time (takes less time to show than to tell). I would probably have cut all of the scenes relating to Cherryl to make up for the time.

    Jan
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    • Posted by slfisher 10 years, 3 months ago
      You realize that this happens in the book, right?

      I would hate to cut Cherryl. As it is, she didn't get enough attention.

      However, my major change would be John telling Dagny that she had a big bank account she could use in the Gulch, and she *chose* to refuse to use it and instead worked for him. I don't understand at all why this was left out.
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      • Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago
        I think for the purpose of simplicity. Books can be much more complex than movies, and Cherryl was a minor character who did not alter, or even effect, the course of action.

        Jan
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        • Posted by Zero 10 years, 3 months ago
          I think Cheryl was the most important of the secondary characters.

          The size of the price she paid is a good indicator of the size of the conflict she dramatized - the danger to the Capable Average Wo/Man when they fall for the Corrupted's Con.

          I would have either given her more time to do it right - or left her out completely.
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  • Posted by Solver 10 years, 3 months ago
    I missed the introduction of the “John Galt plan”, promising solutions to all of societies problems, written by the looters. And of course, John Galt's response.
    I would have added that.
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 3 months ago
    The point I would change is the "one month" limit. In the book, the month is a vacation time taken by everyone who lives there and everyone stays the whole month. Many things are done - concerts, philosophy lectures and ? in which Dagny would have been able to participate and see the real life in the Gulch. It wouldn't add much time or expense to pan over a poster kiosk "Halley's newest work on vacation Day 4! Admission 25c" or having John hand her a booklet of what would be happening and pointing out that she would not be able to join the "Advanced Applications of the Galt motor" workshop.
    John making it a proposition to her that she stay a month, which she clearly could say "no" to, weakened what she got from her stay, and weakened what we saw of life in the Gulch.
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    • Posted by slfisher 10 years, 3 months ago
      I agree and that was in the running for my "one change" item. I'm not sure why he made it a proposition instead of a requirement. It's not like it would have cost any more money to do it right, and it wasn't clear why it was changed.
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