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Why is government stockpiling guns, ammo?

Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 9 months ago to News
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Word from my local FFL dealer said only foreign-made ammo will be available to consumers. However, customs is now delaying approval from 30-days to 6 months. Coincedence?
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 9 months ago
    Why aren't the few good members of congress making something of this? I find this quite disturbing. Shouldn't they?
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    • Posted by khalling 11 years, 9 months ago
      I called my former Congressman's office, he sits on armed services committee. they say they are concerned as well, and are looking into it. They did say, that when DHS buys, it is a multi- year acquisition. they have 30-40thousand agents in the field. they estimate for training alone, an agent would go through 200 rounds a month. they also said that some of the websites are reporting inflated numbers. the actual numbers are about 1/10th what is being reported. they did say, the most recent update on those numbers is now a few months old. they also said they are getting tons of calls like mine. They agree that private citizens after nov. 6 and then dec. 14 are buying most of what's available up and that production takes several months to adjust to the increased demand. they finally said that much the same situation was going on following Obama's initial election.
      I'm just passing this on. This representative is highly conservative and has only been in office 6 years.
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        • Posted by XenokRoy 11 years, 9 months ago
          That does not include all the private contractors that report to the department of defense that are in Afghanistan and Iraq fighting in the wars we have pulled out of or are in the process of pulling out of.

          The number of his private army is much larger, though I can only find speculative numbers, when these people are added in.
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      • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 9 months ago
        I wish my concerns, which I have expressed many times didn't fall on the ears of the oppressors. Our representation is largely part of the problem. There are two Michigans, the big cities that vote these idiots in, in lock step, and the rural communities that pay the price...
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        • Posted by 11 years, 9 months ago
          Exactly. It's also how they have the laws set up. The Demunists know that the key to controlling any state is by winning the biggest city. For example, did you know that the current govenor of IL won only 3 COUNTIES out of 102?

          I doubt the State legistlators in Springfield will be willing to change that set up anytime soon. Maybe MI will be different?
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          • Posted by XenokRoy 11 years, 9 months ago
            Well had we not opened the vote up to everyone and still required people to be a share holder (own property) to vote that would not be the case. I would expand this today to holding stock equal to the typical home in an american based business.... basically a share holder in the US can vote.

            The masses who have not accomplished even home ownership would not vote, but we did away with that, making voting a right rather than a privilege one earns and clear terms in which one would earn it. With that simple shift we ensured that we would indeed see this kind of government evolve.

            Cicero told us it would happen but we ignored the experiences of the Greek city states and the Romans before us who moved things to popular vote, to a democracy rather than a republic and they eventually lost there freedoms, became dictator states and then fell because of democracy rather than republic thinking..
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            • Posted by 11 years, 9 months ago
              Well said. That's why I hate it when people say 'We're a democracy'. I always get a look of confusion when I counter them with "Do you know how every democratic government ends?" "There's only few examples in history". The look confirms my suspicions that those who say such nonsense really don't know what they're talking about, and thus, SHOULDN'T be voting.
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            Posted by C_S 11 years, 9 months ago
            Yeah! Damn that one-person-one-vote concept! Anyone who lives in a city should only get three-fifths of a vote, because they're not entitled to equal representation!
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      • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 11 years, 9 months ago
        When I went for my pistol certification, I went through 45 rounds, and that was barely anything! They go through more than that. Especially over the course of a month.

        It's good people are inquiring about this. I hope more continue to do so.
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      • Posted by khalling 11 years, 9 months ago
        yea, I don't know. here is an article that is interesting. Alex Jones speculating on why personnel would need to be trained on weapons tht are mostly found in private citizen's homes
        http://www.infowars.com/big-sis-needs-mo...
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        • Posted by 11 years, 9 months ago
          Hmmmm. Not sure about Alex. A couple of years ago he went ape shit over the fact that IPv4 addresses were running out. I didn't buy into the fear, the IETF knew about this as early as 1992 and starting working on the problem. Viola! IPv6 became the answer in 1998. Alex was a bit late in realizing this by about 18 years...I'd be cautious when reading any of his stuff.
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          • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 9 months ago
            Alex does seem to get a bit unhinged at times... I imagine a good percentage of what he says is worthy of investigation, however I have found myself thinking... uh... yeah... not so much... with some of the over the top conclusions he has drawn.
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          • Posted by khalling 11 years, 9 months ago
            I posted it because it was a real requisition order. so far, we're talking numbers I don't know where they came from. I don't read him often. only if Drudge posts something interesting
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              • Posted by 11 years, 9 months ago
                A popular saying the gov't likes to use in order to avoid answering is "You don't have a Need To Know." Well, since they are spending OUR tax dollars, Ah BS, We all have a valid Need To Know.

                The next answer they usually follow up with is "It's a matter of National Security." Again, BS flag #2. Whose security? If it truly were a matter of National Security, Ovomit wouldn't be in office.
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                • Posted by khalling 11 years, 9 months ago
                  best line of the day.
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                  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 11 years, 9 months ago
                    Yes it is. Gosh, I've missed this over the past few days!
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                    • Posted by khalling 11 years, 9 months ago
                      hey! do you have a video for us??
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                      • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 11 years, 9 months ago
                        No, I'm so bummed! He didn't get to speak! The rep that asked him to testify was a no show, and the guy who spoke for the NSSA was on the hot seat most of the time. The CEO from Colt spoke VERY briefly at the end. You can see my husband's tie behind the Counsel for the NSSA. Cut off at the shoulder. I teased him about that.

                        He was going to present documents that go back to the Clinton administration, the gist of them being the all out assault and bullying into submission the firearms industry. Pretty volatile stuff. I don't know if they're on public record so I can't say too much here. Cuomo was the main perpetrator of going after these companies. Go figure...
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      • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 9 months ago
        I like Ted Cruz. So far I would place him among the honest ones. What do you think?
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          • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 9 months ago
            There are few George Washingtons... How long do you allow them? I believe the retiring Senator Coburn, and Congressman Paul (regardless of whether you agree completely with everything they espoused) were trustworthy. It would be interesting to list the 535 members of congress and rate them.
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    • Posted by 11 years, 9 months ago
      I agree with you on the .40 caliber being bought up. But, the gov't is also buying up .223/5.56 mm. Just last Friday I spoke to a local FFL dealer who just got back from a business trip to Dallas. He informed me that the gov't (through multiple agencies, as you have listed some) are purchasing as much domestically produced (Remington, Federal & Winchester) .223 ammo as they can. Doing this effectively keeps the quality ammo out of the hands of you and I, and drives up the price as well. Thus the only stuff 'the little guy' can get is foreign made. Normally, this isn't a problem, but what used to take 30 days to clear the Customs department is now taking about 6 months. I do not know who my FFL dealer spoke with, but it seems to be true since I have gone to many places within a 25-mile radius of my local area (St. Louis) and cannot find ANY .223 available.
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      • Posted by khalling 11 years, 9 months ago
        hey! I used to live there! U city for a VERY short time and then St. Charles.
        Why are the ammo companies not getting the word out? If they have caught on, why would they agree to sell ALL their stock to just the govt? You would think they would sympathize with US citizens. they are private companies, after all-unless they have been totally commandeered by the defense dept
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        • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 11 years, 9 months ago
          That's very true. The guys at the shooting range were asking my husband about getting guns, because they aren't available. Not what they were looking for, anyway. They also are making their ammo. Refilling spent cartridges. And they sell guns! It's really scary.

          By the way, my husband wound up not getting called on to testify for the gun manufacturers. Some others did, but the rep that requested my husband's testimony didn't show. Go figure...
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        • Posted by 11 years, 9 months ago
          I found plenty new semi-auto .223's at the store. :) But, the prices were significantly higher though than they were 2 months ago. >:( Got mini-14 mags?
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            • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 11 years, 9 months ago
              There is a two year back order at the gun manufacturer where my husband works. These are orders that have been placed. I can get one if I wanted, but it's only for one, not a large dealer purchase. But there's a serious shortage of ammo, even if the supplies were more readily available. As it is, the factory is going 24 hrs.
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            • Posted by 11 years, 9 months ago
              AR's. A SKS too. A colt AR (16' barrel) was $564 just before Sandy Hook. Now, they want a little over $900. Where? HA, I won't divulge my sources!
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                • Posted by 11 years, 9 months ago
                  Let's just say I've had plenty of experience playing with the M-16. From my experience, the AR/M-16 really doesn't like getting dirty, and after a couple of hundred rounds, the jams (FTF) start happening. I've found though, mini-14, with it's Garand-style action withstands hundreds of rounds without much a fuss. And that's a good thing!

                  I'm not a fool though, I know that I just opened up a can worms...the AR crowd getting (ironically) fired up over what I encountered with the AR during my 20 years of being in the military. I'm sure there are fellers out there who can clearly demonstrate 1,000 + rounds of continuous fire with a single failure. My response is: great! It works for you, but not for me. I took personal care of my issued weapon, kept it damn clean, sighted in and after numerous FTX (field training exercises), and all-day ammo firings during my time serving, I've had enough of the AR. I prefer the mini. Yes, there are a few things I don't like about it. But, I can deal with it, versus FTF.
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                    • Posted by XenokRoy 11 years, 9 months ago
                      I like an AR, and a 308 (HK PTR91) and a pump action shotgun for self defense. I have to agree though that for recreational shooting a lever action, pump action, or single action revolver is just more fun to shoot.

                      The AR15 is a great self defense weapon, but you need a 308 of some time around as well (or equivalent heavier caliber) because your going to run into targets the .223 round just wont take down, or does not have the range for when the poop hits the blades.
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                      • Posted by 11 years, 9 months ago
                        As you can tell, I prefer the min-14. The newest, heavy barrel, tactical version to be exact. There a couple of things that new users should do to prolong the life of the action, (buffers at both ends), but otherwise, IMO, a great firearm to have. With the short 16 inch barrel, don't expect great groupings beyond 1.5 or 2 inch MOA at 100 yards. If anyone wants better than that, then fine, go AR with the 24inch barrel (accurized rifle) and you'll easily get the accuracy. Realistically though, most firefights will not be done, trying to nail someone 100+ yards out. Most of the time, it will be under 50. The mini won't have a problem. Regarding heavier bullets, I like the 30.06. It's just as lethal as the .308, and I agree, you would need something heavier should you encounter anyone jacked up on narcotics. .223 would just annoy them.
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                        • Posted by XenokRoy 11 years, 9 months ago
                          I am also a 30-06 fan and a WSM (put in the round here) fan. Those cartridges are just great upgrades to earlier rounds. Especially the 7mm round. In many, if not most cases the hunting rounds that are out there have more killing power than the military rounds do. The military standardized in WWII basically and have not changed. I really kinda laugh every time they talk assault rifle because my .308 is out done by two of my hunting riffles in range, energy transfer and ballistic drop off rates. The main reason I have a .308 or a .223 is because those rounds will be found on nearly every person you kill in an apocalyptic event. Its also the only reason I recommend to friends that ask to get those two rounds.
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      Posted by C_S 11 years, 9 months ago
      The thing to keep in mind is that this site is like Dungeons & Dragons for the Teabagger set. It's all fantasy role playing. You know - "And then I pulled out my +2 Patrick Henry Speech of Rebellion. Roll the dice and -- and crap! a zero! It came out sounding like Ayn Rand. So humiliating!"
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