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Those Injured by the J&J Vaccine...

Posted by $ Abaco 3 years, 7 months ago to Science
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Will have zero recourse. I understand there have been deaths. But, the system (in this case George Bush Jr, believe it or not, oh and Dick Army had a hand in it) have determined that vaccine manufactures shall not be held accountable for injuries or deaths to due vaccines. Acceptable loss. Their loved ones need to buck up and take one for the team...A past president decided that their loss is justifiable and should be fully absorbed by their families for the good of the collective.

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  • Posted by $ brightwriter 3 years, 7 months ago
    The blood-clot incidents all occurred in who have been described as young women. Did anyone ask whether these young women were using birth-control pills, which in turn have a known risk of blood-clotting complications? No, organized medicine (the Medically Organized Relying On Nonsense, MORONs for short) didn't bother to inquire about this possibility. If something benefits women, then challenging it by calling attention to risk is prevented by female supremacists. If women must suffer, here due to loss of access to a specific vaccination, then everyone must suffer.
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    • Posted by $ Abaco 3 years, 7 months ago
      Don't fool yourself. The J&J clot data is NOTHING compared to the public CDC data in VAERS for the mRNA vaccines. This is a "rope-a-dope" on J&J. THOUSANDS have been killed or maimed by the mRNA vaccines but you won't hear one peep in the news about that. This is an amazing time to be alive. It's like watching a huge mushroom cloud form in the next town and knowing things ain't right...
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      • Posted by freedomforall 3 years, 7 months ago
        Can you share any data available to the public online showing this side effect, Abaco? (Or is the download from VAERS the best source? The 2021 data has almost 47,000 records today.)
        I don't doubt it, but I'd like to share it with a few friends to help them decide against the vaccines.
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        • Posted by $ Abaco 3 years, 7 months ago
          Just go right to the VAERS website where you can query the data. It's pretty easy. Open a beer and get ready for deep dive down the rabbit hole. The numbers are impressive...I doubt the access to the data will remain as available as it is...
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      • Posted by $ brightwriter 3 years, 7 months ago
        Right, Abaco. There are many other incidents of mRNA-vaccine harm, as you say. And I add that mRNA can't get into cells where the ribosomes (that copy its instructions into proteins) are and the proteins thereby created are in cells and can't get out to elicit antibody formation even if they somehow could be created to begin with. It's all nonsense. Here, I merely identify an additional incidence of buffoonery, that is small in the big picture but supports distrust of the mess, I mean mass, media.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 3 years, 7 months ago
    Yes, they are allowed to murder, experiment and modify the population...this is their lab and we are their rats.

    Now, We are seeing a False attack on J&J, just like Astrazeneca...why? cause they are not controlled by fauci and the cdc.. and these creatures can't make a profit off of them. NOT TO MENTION...they are more traditional worthless vaccines that do not have the potential to affect your DNA or make you more vulnerable to future humanoid made variants.

    Now, I am not saying that JJ and AZ are good companies, I am just saying that they are not as Evil like PF and M.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 3 years, 7 months ago
    No surprises here. People have been ignoring reality for decades. Now they get to pay with their lives for their ignorance and stupidity. It won't even make a headline for the ignorant sheep having dinner with Pharma wolves.
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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 7 months ago
    I took the Pfizer vaccine. I weighed the risk of taking the vaccine and getting whatever level of immunity I would get as a result against the risk of catching covid at my age of 76. Its a personal decision. Now I cant infect someone else, and they cant infect me (within the 94% at least).
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 3 years, 7 months ago
    I do feel there is accountability. Who pays for the advertisements that say, 'Save your baby, get vaccinated?' I nearly barfed.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 3 years, 7 months ago
      Whoever thinks it important paid for the advertisements. Might help decrease an increase in deaths of pregnant mothers or just causing miscarriage increase. Though it is hard to know the exact causes of the perhaps as high as 50% rate of miscarriages since very early ones are mostly not detected, some women will decide to be vaccinated with the possibility of protecting from a miscarriage.

      https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectio...
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  • Posted by $ gharkness 3 years, 7 months ago
    Seriously, are you saying the VAERS system doesn't compensate? I thought that was the entire point of VAERS, to shut people up so the word didn't get out, and paying them off while they are at it.
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    • Posted by $ Abaco 3 years, 7 months ago
      No! Does not compensate. Only records the complaints. There IS Federal Vaccine Court built by taxpayer dollars to protect the vaccine manufacturers by (rarely) handing out BILLIONS of dollars in settlements without hearings. Think about that...settlements without hearings...because hearings create....wait for it...testimony and evidence. And, they don't report those outcomes in the news. Nope...VAERS is just a public, in-your-face, database by CDC to keep track of all the damage. Because, you can't do anything about it.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 3 years, 7 months ago
    No recourse. Ask India, who has been trying to get legal response since his vaccines harmed or killed about 250,000 young people. I have to wonder, snce the Astra. vaccine was made at the Baltimore lab, and an ingredient got in Johnson's vaccine, wich they destroyed. Did they not catch it soon enough? Did some entity want the only non-mRNA vaccine off the market, so the control factor was greater, more people dead of the long range plan?
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 3 years, 7 months ago
    My wife and I were scheduled to get the J&J vaccine beginning of this week when we received emails from the large medical facility based in Flagstaff Az that the local vaccination site will not be giving the J&J injections without any explanation. we heard the additional details from the Fox afiliate television station in Phoenix. What bothers me with only six cases of injury or death from the vaccine out of several thousand doses already injected makes one very suspicious. My wife stated to me in no uncertain terms we are going to wait for the J&J vaccine (she is a still working RN).
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  • Posted by chad 3 years, 7 months ago
    When a governing body claims that they must control activity to prevent one type of incident and then demand compliance that creates the same incident and says that is okay its intention is not prevention, it is control of activity, ownership of self and property and directing behavior.
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 3 years, 7 months ago
    As I read it, 6 out of 6.8 million got blood clots--all women--and one died. Lacking omniscience, the experts did not foresee this happening. Should they have blocked all use of that vaccine and allowed a much larger number of people to sicken or perish in the absence of a vaccine? Women can get blood clots without the vaccine injection, too. If you don't trust the knowledge and integrity of the vaccine scientists, don't get the shot.

    Pharma is not just after money. Without showing the efficacy of their product, they will not make money. They don't get into that line of business to have a license to kill. Blaming them for everything that can go wrong is absurd. Four hundred years ago up to 75% of the population died from the plague. Would you repeat that statistic today rather than use the best vaccines that today's scientific knowledge can produce? Mishaps are not deliberate. Neither omniscience nor omnipotence is ours. People do the best they can, and it's a damn lot better than it used to be. Stop blaming unless you can do better.
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    • Posted by $ Abaco 3 years, 7 months ago
      They didn't foresee this happening? A much larger number of people would perish without the vaccine? Without showing efficacy of their product they don't make money? Blaming them for everything that can go wrong? Up to 75% of the population died from the plague? Repeat that today? The best vaccines that today's scientists can produce?

      Lady...I agree with the other parts of your statement. But, after working in the medical industry in infection control for a couple decades, including ten years researching vaccines specifically, I completely disagree with your statements I repeat above. Understand that if people want to take the vaccines they have every right, no matter the evidence. But, Pfizer's own CEO admitted in a public hearing that the mRNA vax they produced has nothing to do with stopping the spread. It is intended to reduce symptoms (more a medication than a vaccine). All these things are ok! But, we need to stick with reality in this discussion. And...please..."Pharma is not just after the money."? This Objectivist isn't proud to say that, as an investor, I made a lot of money on Pharma because I could see the game they were running many years ago. Don't fool yourself. They are a fantastic money-making machine! If they hadn't acquired Federally-backed immunity from damages caused by vaccines you and I wouldn't even be involved in this discusion!

      That said, I appreciate your viewpoint. And would love to discuss over a beer someday. There's a chance that may happen with those on this forum (it's been discussed recently). All the best...
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      • Posted by $ gharkness 3 years, 7 months ago
        I'm with Abaco on this. I certainly agree that not everyone's X symptom - or even death - after any medical treatment necessarily was caused by the treatment. But I certainly don't put these folks on a pedestal. And yes, they ARE after lots and lots of money. I am of the opinion that there's nothing wrong with wanting a lot of money but it needs to be earned properly.

        I also take issue with "stop blaming unless you can do better." I am not a vaccine specialist, BUT what they do definitely can make huge changes in my life, even up to and including death. If I think they are wrong, or are producing a product that is less than appropriate, as I do here, you can be sure I'll be blaming even though I definitely can't "do better." We are talking about a disease that has at worst a 97.5% recovery rate, even acknowledging that some effects last for a lifetime in some people. I don't really want to die over that. I'll just take my chances.

        Now, what's this about discussing over a beer? Can I come too? :-)
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  • Posted by Ben_C 3 years, 7 months ago
    The only absolutes in life are death and taxes. Everything else is relative. Life is a bell shaped curve. That said, there are way more problems with the other products with much greater risk than the J & J product (have a hard time calling them a vaccine). Gross negligence is admissible in court regardless of any waivers. Prove gross negligence and you win. And don't think for one minute the trial lawyers will ignore product liability.
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    • Posted by $ Abaco 3 years, 7 months ago
      No. Nobody will win a case against a pharmaceutical company for damages caused by a vaccine. Ever. Unless they change the laws. I wish you were right on that, Ben. There have been many, many cases settled in the Federal Vaccine Court. Usually, the damaged child has a doctor as a parent. Then, they settlement occurs without a hearing. But, that's not against the vaccine manufacturer. It's a Federal settlement. Anna Poling was the only big case that hit the news. Check it out.
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