Govt. mishandling of the pandemic could create a Great Depression

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Mistaking a growth in detection for a growth in occurrence makes it look like existing measures are not working, and governments quickly assume they must do something even more draconian.
SOURCE URL: https://www.thesavvystreet.com/tackling-the-wuhan-pandemic-without-wrecking-the-economy/


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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 4 years, 8 months ago
    South Korea laid out a successful strategy for dealing with the virus. They chose to isolate the most vulnerable, the elderly and the infirm. They then instituted a massive testing program to identify those who were carriers and treating them. They did not shut down the nation's economy. It was a rational response, not one driven by fear and panic.

    We have let the media drive calm and reason from our collective minds. When the hoarding started, the media tried to portray it as a sign of shortages, which was a lie. It is a sign of panic, with people buying 500% more than usual, because the media told them that if they didn't die from the disease, they would die of starvation. It's an excessive demand problem, not a supply problem.

    Even people formerly anti-gun descended on the gun stores, out of fear society was about to descend into violence. Why? Because the media told them it would.

    We need to get a grip, and follow a logical, methodical approach to pandemics, avoiding panic and chaos. Americans are usually pretty adaptable, and we need to recover that talent.

    I'm part of a startup company that is aggressively working to provide supplies, like antiviral masks, caps, gowns, gloves, and hoods to medical personnel. We're also going to be supplying ventilators and respirators at a low cost, and making personal OTC COVID-19 testing kits available through the big chain drug stores. Those kits will give immediate results, making it possible to find out if you have the disease in your own home.
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    • Posted by Dobrien 4 years, 8 months ago
      Yes Doc. I would also say the WHO championed by the UN as the worlds inhabitants answer to healthcare. Apparently the head of The World Health Organization felt that panicking everyone with vastly exaggerated death rates would be beneficial and good medicine.
      Maybe they thought they would tweak people’s mental health while spewing fear.
      Personally I would say your last paragraph Qualifies you over. The WHO Dr. to lead that org. but Centralized health authorities is not ever going to be in my self-interest.
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    • Posted by exceller 4 years, 8 months ago
      With all due respect, SK has a population of 54 million vs the US's 350 million.

      In addition, it is a homogenous country not the hodge-podge of different political hotspots of Dems who'd do everything to stall any effective measure to stop the virus spread.

      It also doesn't help that the likes of Piglosi and Schumer are volleying off attacks daily to weaken Trumps' efforts. The last thing they want to see is a concerted effort, backing the president and successfully contain the epidemic.

      There you have it.

      Europe is not better either: the left liberal opposition consistently torpedo govt efforts to fight the virus. Their reason: "We don't want to give the government full authority to handle the crisis."

      Damn the death rate...
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 4 years, 8 months ago
    Very interesting. Thanks for putting that here. I have understood this is much more contagious than the normal flu. But, I could be wrong. My position might be based on bogus reports.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 4 years, 8 months ago
    RIP Federal Reserve!!!

    This is Huge!!!!

    "This scheme essentially merges the Fed and Treasury into one organization. So, meet your new Fed chairman, Donald J. Trump.

    “But it’s the alphabet soup of new programs that deserve special consideration, as they could have profound long-term consequences for the functioning of the Fed and the allocation of capital in financial markets. Specifically, these are:

    CPFF (Commercial Paper Funding Facility) – buying commercial paper from the issuer. PMCCF (Primary Market Corporate Credit Facility) – buying corporate bonds from the issuer. TALF (Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility) – funding backstop for asset-backed securities. SMCCF (Secondary Market Corporate Credit Facility) – buying corporate bonds and bond ETFs in the secondary market. MSBLP (Main Street Business Lending Program) – Details are to come, but it will lend to eligible small and medium-size businesses, complementing efforts by the Small Business Association.

    To put it bluntly, the Fed isn’t allowed to do any of this. The central bank is only allowed to purchase or lend against securities that have government guarantee. This includes Treasury securities, agency mortgage-backed securities and the debt issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. An argument can be made that can also include municipal securities, but nothing in the laundry list above.

    So how can they do this? The Fed will finance a special purpose vehicle (SPV) for each acronym to conduct these operations. The Treasury, using the Exchange Stabilization Fund, will make an equity investment in each SPV and be in a “first loss” position. What does this mean? In essence, the Treasury, not the Fed, is buying all these securities and backstopping of loans; the Fed is acting as banker and providing financing. The Fed hired BlackRock Inc. to purchase these securities and handle the administration of the SPVs on behalf of the owner, the Treasury.

    In other words, the federal government is nationalizing large swaths of the financial markets. The Fed is providing the money to do it. BlackRock will be doing the trades.

    This scheme essentially merges the Fed and Treasury into one organization. So, meet your new Fed chairman, Donald J. Trump.

    In 2008 when something similar was done, it was on a smaller scale. Since few understood it, the Bush and Obama administrations ceded total control of those acronym programs to then-Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke. He unwound them at the first available opportunity. But now, 12 years later, we have a much better understanding of how they work. And we have a president who has made it very clear how displeased he is that central bankers haven’t used their considerable power to force the Dow Jones Industrial Average at least 10,000 points higher, something he has complained about many times before the pandemic hit.”

    Full article. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/feds-c...
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    • Posted by edweaver 4 years, 8 months ago
      So you believe it is a good thing to have the president in charge of the money? Might be okay with Trump but what about future? Isn't this short term solution to a long term problem? Am I missing something?
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      • Posted by freedomforall 4 years, 8 months ago
        Control by the banking cartel, who benefit from every expansion of credit, hasn't worked (except to create inflation and steal from producers) since 1913.
        I do acknowledge your point, ed.
        The real problem is the power of central government and it must be reduced by more than 90% to early 19th century levels. If Trump is not successful, there will be a collapse and a likely violent revolution.
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        • Posted by edweaver 4 years, 8 months ago
          I agree. Just don't want one bad system transferred to another with the same power
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          • Posted by Dobrien 4 years, 8 months ago
            Trump is working to make America Great .Most all of his actions are evidence of that statement. This is not just another 4 yr election. When the MSM implodes ,nonstop propaganda will end with it.
            Many will be arrested as co conspirators.

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  • Posted by exceller 4 years, 8 months ago
    "Globally, the risk of doing business is now permanently increased—not because of the Wuhan pandemic, but because of the government reaction to it."

    These kind of statements are irresponsible. The virus was an unknown phenomenon, nobody had a grasp how dangerous it was, especially since Chine did not help.

    Trump has been demonstrating true leadership, despite all the contrary information, putting into place policies that are aimed at helping the country.

    1. "If your concern is “public health,” you should urge your government to stop indefinite-term shutdowns. Large reductions in economic output will translate to reduced philanthropy, assuredly a worse outcome for millions of children dying of malnutrition and malaria in India and Africa. And for all other causes you believe in. And to reduced research funds for treating infectious diseases that kill over 10 million annually, and respiratory diseases and infections that kill over 6 million annually.
    2. If your concern is liberty, there is a grave danger of an irreversible descent into a totalitarian government that seeks to destroy the fossil-fuel powered economy and freedom of speech—the offer to save businesses with subsidies that contain caveats to serve the postmodern narratives is dangerous.

    3.If your concern is the economy, a new Great Depression scenario looms large already.
    If your primary concern is COVID-19, take note of how your government’s “remedy” is worse than the disease. And of how often they keep asking you not to panic.

    We are fully aware of all this. Any reason to repeat it ad nauseum?

    This statement incensed me the most:
    "But then, maybe they want you to panic. Nothing like a crisis that paves the path to power and glory."

    Some people are unable to separate their normal thought process from political grandstanding.

    This is a time to stick together and help each other, not to stoke the flames and generate dissension.
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    • Posted by edweaver 4 years, 8 months ago
      I'm confused. Do you think wrecking the economy for this is okay?
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      • Posted by exceller 4 years, 8 months ago
        Do you think losing half of the country to the virus is OK?
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        • Posted by edweaver 4 years, 8 months ago
          I think we will not lose 1 percent of the country to the virus but I think there's a 60 percent chance we lose the country with the freedom given up. I'd rather die than live in fear.
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          • Posted by exceller 4 years, 8 months ago
            We will get back to this when it is over.

            With Trump at the helm your economic forecast is unlikely
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            • Posted by edweaver 4 years, 8 months ago
              All of us small businesses will be broke before this is over and all because the media and Democrats found a button to push that worked. Scared people to death and Trump fell for it. If we are not back to work by Easter, we are in trouble that we may never recover. This is already worse than 2008 by far.
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              • Posted by 4 years, 8 months ago
                Unfortunately, this is exactly what happened. But I hope that an early end to the shutdown, with precautions being taken at workplaces, and the vulnerable shielded, happens.
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              • Posted by exceller 4 years, 8 months ago
                I am puzzled at your logic.

                With all the precaution installed, we still have a rapidly increasing infection rate in the USA. Check the stats.

                What do you think it would be like if no restrictions were implemented? You think you'd have buyers in the small business sector should people be allowed to freely move around?

                It is mostly the younger generation who shrugs off the restrictions with well documented results of infection to follow.

                I assume you count yourself among the 1% who should be sacrificed according to your metric.

                Whining over the situation never helps. Doing your part does.
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                • Posted by 4 years, 8 months ago
                  We have, Exceller, as mentioned in the essay, a rapidly increasing detection rate. The infection spread in Nov 2019-Feb 2020, undetected.

                  And yes, since recovery for but the lung-impaired is 100%, what matters is the death rate, which can be managed to well under 0.5%; again see the essay for reasons how (even while letting "non-essential" businesses work.
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                  • Posted by Dobrien 4 years, 8 months ago
                    Many who have been infected and recovered wil never be tested or counted. I don’t even know if autopsies are performed on the dead or if causes in addition to the Covid resulted in deaths .Especially in China. Videos of people being dragged and forced into vans from China causes suspicion. Statistics are like bikinis ,what is revealed is suggestive what is concealed is vital.
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                  • Posted by exceller 4 years, 8 months ago
                    Trump has said as much that the restrictions should be lifted base upon local conditions. I doubt the Dem governors will help him, but Trump has a knack of getting things done right.

                    BTW, it is not only the lung impaired who succumb to the virus.. There are several publication daily on perfectly healthy young adults who die.
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                • Posted by edweaver 4 years, 8 months ago
                  I don't really care about the infection rate. I care about the death percentage and that seems very low. I'll be concerned if the death rate ratchets up, which it is not currently doing. I see this as the next political stunt to try and get rid of Trump.
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                  • Posted by exceller 4 years, 8 months ago
                    The death rate is ratcheting up, check the stats.

                    From March 17th e.g. 2 weeks ago, the stats were as below:

                    - Global death rate: increased from 3.84% to 4.70%. It is probably higher b/c the underreported Chinese cases.

                    - USA death rate remained the same from 1.84% to 1.8%;

                    - CA death rate increased from1.82% to 2.13%.

                    It is States like CA, NY, NJ, CT, WA that will drive the increased cases. They have been slow acting, with predictable results. Mobility of people from these states to others is not helping, either. Still Cuomo intends to sue RI b/c the State is turning back NY cars.

                    Do you have any proof of your belief that this was an attempt to get rid of Trump?
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                    • Posted by edweaver 4 years, 8 months ago
                      The only proof (if you will accept it) is the fact of how the media, which has been out to get Trump from the beginning, and is pushing the narrative. They love this for 2 reasons. First, it is making them a boatload of money. Second is many have openly stated the only way to get rid of Trump is if the economy fails. Couple that with what I am hearing is a lower death rate. I'm not sure where your numbers are coming from? And I don't care what other countries are seeing. No comparison to our health system and it is not as good as it should be.

                      And overall it doesn't matter. We can die from the virus or from the destruction of our economy as we turn to socialism. I'll take my chances with the virus. At least I will live or die on my own two feet and not at the whims of a socialist country.
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                      • Posted by exceller 4 years, 8 months ago
                        I am fully aware of what the DS is capable of in order to get rid of Trump. After all else failed, it is highly likely that the epidemic is the result of a consciously planned agenda.

                        Still Trump is taking it in stride like he did all the other attempts. I believe he'll overcome this one as well.

                        The manipulations and lies of the DS and the left are too obvious and transparent not to see even for the most ignorant.
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