Kansas Forces Craigslist Sperm Donor to Pay Child Support For Child of Lesbian Couple
I'm not sure which angle to even begin with here. Welfare, sexuality identification, state over reach....
I'll pick this: If you get your sperm donor from Craigslist, your kid might have huge health bills
Also, I almost can't pick a category. I almost picked pics (because the pictures are kind of entertaining) :)
Read "Kansas Forces Craigslist Sperm Donor to Pay Child Support For Child of Lesbian Couple" now: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...
I'll pick this: If you get your sperm donor from Craigslist, your kid might have huge health bills
Also, I almost can't pick a category. I almost picked pics (because the pictures are kind of entertaining) :)
Read "Kansas Forces Craigslist Sperm Donor to Pay Child Support For Child of Lesbian Couple" now: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...
...is its sensationalism. Remember that you linked to a British tabloid.
I know several gay couples. They are long term partnered (like any married couple). They lead stable lives and they have children. Their contracts with sperm donor, whom they did not meet, was a sound one. Their adoption (in these cases one partner) went off without a hitch. Their children, lovely and happy. Their burden on the State? Zero. would they make the papers? No.
Men are being destroyed, and nobody cares. Were it not for the woman I'm now with, who just happens to be a paralegal, I would be among the dead myself.
Let's start with the ones that have happened to ME:
"Oh, we don't need to use protection. I'm sterile..."
And the ex who palmed her birth control pills at a time when we couldn't afford another baby... because she wanted a baby and wanted it NOW dammit and to Hell with the health insurance waiting period on my new job!
There's the case in California where some woman named a soldier deployed in Iraq as the father. He couldn't contest the paternity -- he never even HEARD about it -- until he returned. Too late under California law. AFAIK he's still paying for a baby that isn't his.
Without getting salacious, there are several ways a welfare queen can get ahold of some semen and impregnate herself without the man's knowledge.
Enough?
Have you ever heard of condoms? Or a vasectomy?? I mean, if you really don't wanna make a baby, but you really wanna have sex then maybe a vasectomy (heck, AND a condom, just for extra measure, if you will) might be the best route to guarantee that that wicked welfare queen doesn't get a bun in her oven (wittle baby widget). (btw...have you screwed welfare queens??? If so...that's a pretty large red flag a wavin' there with words in big bold letters yelling, "KNOCK ME UP, SUCKA!")
My point is this...and these are my exact words to my sons, "in this day and age, with all of the contraceptive devices on the market, you have to be a fucking moron to get a girl pregnant". (It didn't do any good, as it turns out, but hey, I said it at least.) Let's face it...men...some men (maybe most..I don't know I'm not one) lack reason when so much of their brain blood is...else where...BUT that does not remove your responsibility in the making of a baby, as a woman (welfare queen or not) can NOT get pregnant without your conscious contribution (meaning you have to be awake for this ...exchange to occur.)...Unless she's an MD who specializes in vasectomies and puts you under to...tie the knot...and steals a little gift while she's at it.... cuz THAT scenario happens ALL THE TIME. Right?
Sounds like you've had a few kids...that magically appeared without your INput. After what number kid did you learn the lesson of keeping it in your pants...or in a raincoat at least??
If you make a baby, (excluding the stolen semen tactic) then you have a monetary obligation....like it or not. If you fall for the oldest trick in the book "I'm on the pill" ...that makes you stupid, on top of being horny, but not any less responsible for the cost to raise it. (Other wise I, we, other people have to pay for your kid(s)...and we definitely had NO part of it.) Take some blame for your actions. The gulch is all about self responsibility.... have a dose.
Yes, I've heard of condoms and vascectomies. DUH. Shouldn't be necessary in marriage now, should they? There's this little thing called TRUST... as in, trusting your spouse to be truthful with you...
And a vasectomy only makes sense if you're all done having kids. We were not; the agreement was that we would wait until the health insurance kicked in.
And these are MY exact words to MY sons: Boys, women LIE. They will LIE through their teeth to you.
The rest of your post is nothing but a blame-throwing shame-fest. Please, can we just act like grownups around here when the subject comes around to sex?
Thanks in advance...
Please explain this sentence then (unbutchered).
I have also told my sons that girls will lie through their teeth. They aren't angels.
You sounded very "blame-throwing" yourself....which is why I responded how I did... It takes 2...always has...always will (minus the confiscated sperm maneuvers...donors etc...which still takes 2 if you boil it down.)
Stop thanking me in advance. It's pushy...and a little condescending...and not very grown up like when were discussing important issues of the day.
That is exactly my point. by your logic, who cares about this estranged couple's legal issues with artificial insemination? That's not "news" like it happening to a gay couple. and my point is, it made the news, there's no big gay drama, ONLY a dispute over parental rights where artificial insemination played a role. to restate, sperm donor/artificial insemination/carry donor and conflicts tend to make the news.
If only their STATED goal was their ACTUAL goal, but that's a topic for 'nuther thread.
1)not a lawyer
2)not a rational plan to get your donor from Craigslist
OF COURSE everyone must get Government approval before doing... well, ANYTHING...
"proper legal means" my ass.
Who said Objectivists have no sense of humor?
But you almost have to be a member of the /. subculture to get the joke. I hope mine above isn't taken the wrong way...
Taking scotch eggs to a dinner party tonight
Post the recipe, sounds like something I need to make. :)
So a fart and sperm walk into a bar....
What I don't like is people getting all judgmental over other people's sexual choices. The snide remarks (see the very bottom of this thread) were, in my view, over the line.
"These 'adults' have made a mess of things." Oh, really? WHAT mess? A lesbian deciding to have a child is a "mess?"
"Like a train wreck." Really? How, exactly, is a lesbian deciding to have a child a "train wreck?"
And the one that really bothers me is the snide comment about a woman who can't decide whether she's a lesbian or straight. And then mentioning some celebrity who "swings both ways," which has nothing to do with this topic.
For your information, LOTS of women "swing both ways." What of it?
The whole tone, from both of you, was one of mocking gay/bi women. Nobody mocks YOU for being straight and monogamous. Can you please have a little respect for those of us who are otherwise?
Thanks in advance.
I'll draw my own lines and you draw yours....of this establishment... Seriously..you sound like a liberal.
So John, Ragnar and Francisco were all sitting around in a hot tub one day...
(The photos are priceless.)
Here a guy gives a couple of gals a hand and look what happens...
I do agree that this story might draw polarizing opinions, which is why it makes news. "I think the state should go after the donor!" "I don't think so-there was a contract giving up his rights!" and you'll see that debate right here in the post.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/03/wom...
"William Marotta ... suggested he might be a victim of bias against same-sex parenting. 'I have a hunch part of the reason this is going this way is because of people’s feelings toward same-sex couples,' Marotta told FoxNews.com.
Aw, gee, ya think?
Yeah. So do I.
The article: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/03/wom...
Uh huh. Yeah, I guess that explains all of the tittering over "the pictures," eh?
I guess it also explains the snide remarks over a woman (two women, actually) who "swing both ways," 'coz that obviously has EVERTHING to do with "poor choices."
Give me a break. Het people make poor choices -- worse than these -- every day. But you don't see them splashed all over the pages of a sensationalist Brit tabloid now, do you? No, this story is getting press -- and was posted here -- because of its sensationalistic value.
If the State didn't offer charity, paid for by forcing money from others at gunpoint, didn't interfere in private contracts through Draconian "child support" laws, and didn't blatantly violate the 14th Amendment by bringing the full force of the State down upon a certain scapegoated gender...
... then everyone would be better off. The man's rights wouldn't have been violated, the mother would be forced to either find work or go to a proper agent of charity (i.e., one whose donors are voluntary), and all would be facing the consequences of their own poor choices, which would be defined in their own terms rather than a third party who thinks all of this is funny.
that said, this is hardly a proud post. It's at the top of Hot and I have serious, well reasoned posts that completely bombed in here. I should have included pictures with them maybe
This is just bizarre to me, though. I'm adopted, and I can't even imagine my parents trying to squeeze child support out of my birth mother or father, whoever they are! I mean come on! Stop having kids if money is tight!
I do not care what their sexual preferences are. But I can look at public information like 8 kids in an 8 year period then a big split on welfare as probably not the most rational plan. and I can laugh at it. the story would still be rich if it were a hetero couple who got sperm from a craigslist donor with the same pictures! if it makes you feel better, I hope the sperm donor wins his case against the state. That'll teach the state to not let people adopt 8 kids in 8 years who are on welfare.
Remember what Francisco D'Anconia said about contradictions...
You're obviously not aware of it, and meant no malice. But it's still rather apparent in your original remarks.
(WWJGD...seriously, who's judging who here??)
It's up to you to decide which is the real you.
Added later: FWIW, I've been accused -- recently -- of the same thing. It took me a while, but I finally decided that perhaps I had crossed a line... and I'm a tiny bit more careful what I say around that person (a bi woman, if it matters) now a days. I think all of us hetero people can unintentionally say hurtful things about the gay/bi folks now and then. And let's not even get started on some of the things they say about US!
There is even a certain Willie Nelson song that I've retired from my karaoke repertoire, out of respect for said woman's feelings.
So don't take it personally, please. I'm not attacking YOU, I'm pointing out something that I believe you DID.
And a few N****r jokes while we're at it!
My kids used to say, "oh, that's so gay, mom!" were they going out of their way to bash homosexuals? I do try to be sensitive if someone doesn't like to hear the F word, but sometimes it creeps out anyway. I kinda like the effect and drama of using it. seriously, be a good fart and understand neither of us were laughing at this story because the couple was in a same sex relationship.
If you think someone is judging you wrongly, take issue with his premises, not the act of judgement,
Thank you for noticing that nothing was mentioned of the burglars' sex lives. That's the way it should be. It's funny because of what they DID, not because of what they ARE.
The real story here is the State's intervention in, and abrogation of, a perfectly valid contract between private individuals (added later:) -- and the lesson of why charity is never a legitimate function of Government.
who gets a sperm donor on Craigslist??
I was a fundamentalist Christian at the time and had a TERRIBLE time with all the thoughts & fantasies that that engendered...
I can't vouch for any of it. NO idea what the bullshit percentage is in that story, but I heard it more than once, from more than one source.
So there! Christianity has now been brought into this thread!
OK, it was eggs & sperm from some starfish that my biology teacher collected from the beach. Sorry to spoil your fantasy...
I couldn't post below, because of the -well-you know. My best friend is a lesbian, partnered, and mother of two beautiful girls. They did not get their sperm donor from craigslist(possible trainwreck). They did not stay in touch with their sperm donor and update him on the progress of their children (train wreck 2). They are a stable household emotionally, financially. (train wreck 3 in the story). Couples do split up, and that's is trying for everyone in the family. For stability sake, I think kids want their parents to pick a team, if you know what I mean. and get a job, so there's no need for welfare. and finally, and this part is the sad part, on top of everything else the child has huge medical bills in a recent period of time.this is hard for anyone and adds to the whole trainwreck feel here. I am sorry if I offended you, consenting adults can do whatever they want, but I can comment on an article, that the family willingly participated in and provided their own pictures for; and it shouldn't offend you. I mean, you were ok with the fart jokes
You said that as if we have anyway of knowing that you're NOT "strong, muscular, farm-labor type".
I think it's a safe bet that they're looking for strong, muscular, farm-labor types.