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Was a vote for Trump anti-Objectivst?

Posted by richrobinson 7 years, 6 months ago to The Gulch: General
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I voted for Trump and I do think he has the potential to be a great President. That being said I would stop far short of comparing him to John Galt. Clearly he is not John Galt. I have heard it said that voting for the lesser of 2 evils is still a vote for evil. However, Ayn Rand said that there are 2 sides to every issue but the middle is always evil. I felt that not voting or voting 3rd party was falling in the middle. Wonder how others feel about this.


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  • Posted by 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    When Trump came here for a rally he went to a town about 15 minutes away from where I work. Ambridge PA. never recovered from the demise of the steel industry and Trump spoke directly to those effected most by bad trade deals and over regulation. The rally started at 3:30 and by 11:30 the venue was full. Tim Kaine came in and held a rally at Carnagie Mellon University. A real contrast in how they approached this election.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I figured he would keep the provisions for kids staying on parents policy and the provision for pre-existing conditions. That has wide support from both sides. If that is all that remains then I'm okay with that.
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  • Posted by chad 7 years, 6 months ago
    Assuming that there are two sides and one is evil and one is moral then the middle would be a move toward evil. When both choices are immoral then either choice is immoral. President elect Trump is already back pedaling on Obamacare saying he will probably keep some of it and that the system simply needs to be 'adjusted'. In other words he had no intention of repealing it and when he did say he would repeal it he always said he would 'replace' it which simply means his intention was to take the pig, put lipstick on it, and give it back to us saying; 'it is no longer a pig.' Trump will not slow down the decline, he will move it forward while pretending that he really is on the side of freedom while Hillary would have told us she was moving ahead on the tyranny of a democratic communist government which is what we already have.
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  • Posted by IndianaGary 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I didn't say he shouldn't start the process. My point is it will take more time than many people expect.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump promised to push repeal of Obamacare on day one of his presidency. Repeal and replace should not be that difficult if they use the next two months before he takes office to craft bills that address the impacts on other legislation.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good points. It will take time but I think part of the plan is to reform Medicare/Medicaid. THAT won't be easy.
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  • Posted by IndianaGary 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Repealing O'Care will NOT be that easy. The tendrils of the multi-thousand page law have infiltrated other laws, including Medicare and Medicaid (which I also oppose). It was complicated and virtually indecipherable for a reason. Reverting to the pre-O'Care versions of either program will be extremely difficult because of the systemic changes that Obama rammed through Congress. The healthcare insurance industry has been almost totally destroyed, which was the goal in the first place: first, destroy the industry, then a introduce so-called "single payer"; e.g. government insurance as the "solution" to the problem created by O'Care.

    I do agree that the Supreme Court should be the first thing he should tackle.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump is still somewhat of a wild card at this point. I think Weld is too establishment to be on the Libertarian ticket. I had read that he was friends with the Clintons. In the final days of the campaign he encouraged supporters in North Carolina to vote for Clinton in order to keep Trump from winning. His job was to get as many votes for the Libertarian party as possible. Being the best in MA. just means he was better than Romney and Patrick...Not hard to outshine those folks.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The first 100 days will be hectic. I think he has to start with the Supreme Court pick. Paul Ryan said that they have passed a repeal of ObamaCare before so that should be easy. There is so much to do it's hard to know where to go from there.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do believe the Bush family and Clinton family are done politically. The Clintons were seen by Democrats as centrists. Her loss solidifies the Obama, Sanders and Elizabeth Warren types as the standard bearers. Trump will hopefully bring the fiscal conservatives back to prominence for the Republicans. A lot is going to happen in the next 4 years.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Both major parties are fractured, and the pro-Bush, pro-Clinton "establishment" no longer has a natural political home in either party. Trump will remake the Republican Party and the Bernie Sanders "progressives" will attempt to become the dominant force in the Democratic Party. Many of the crony establishment "insiders" and their hangers-on may become political orphans for the time being.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I moved to Vegas from California 26 years ago, never regretted it. I'm a little hesitant to have California as a foreign country along our border - what if they decide to invade? :-)

    On the other hand, if they secede then California will lose its 55 reliably Democratic electoral votes, and the newly formed country can become the magnet for "open immigration" while the U.S. adopts more sensible policies. Maybe not such a bad idea after all!
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, rational choices require first identifying what the choice in reality is. Voting determines which of the two major candidates will be in power; it is not a philosophical sanction of a candidate's views and not a "vote for evil". When you don't vote wherre there is a difference between the candidates you default to those who are evil to determine the outcome.
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ayn Rand did not engage in fallacies of false alternatives. That is not what it means to identify principles of good versus evil. Stop trashing Ayn Rand with misrepresentations. She recognized that a vote is not a philosophical sanction of the candidate's views. She voted for candidates she did not approve of when she saw a worse alternative in the other, such as her "anti-Nixonites for Nixon" to stop McGovern. She also had the sense to denounce the Libertarians.
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  • Posted by $ FredTheViking 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your comment suggests Weld is some how inferior to Trump. If that is the case, I am not in agreement. Trump, who had been a life long democratic until recently, presents no clear plans, is somehow better than Weld.

    Weld on the other hand is the best governor we have had in my 20 years in Massachusetts. So please explain why Trump is better.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 6 months ago
    I think of electing a national politician as being in a completely different domain from Objectivism, as I understand it. A national politician has to do a dance of appearances to seem acceptable to many people. It almost always involves trying to work people's emotions. The protagonists from AS and Fountainhead were anti-politicians, the opposite of what goes into winning national office.

    Both mainstream candidates this year appealed to people's fear on emotional levels and then had policy ideas of using gov't force to prevent people from trading freely. Johnson was the only one who clearly opposed gov't solving people's problems. I and the plurality of voters thought Clinton was far and away a better choice, but I don't think voting for anyone, even third party candidates is anti-Objectivist.

    I guess it's like what's the most Objectivist brand of vodka to buy. They're in different domains, IMHO.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 6 months ago
    THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT trump was not my first choice. THAT BEING SAID, I voted for him for about the same reasons as Rich. (My keyboard is doing strange things to my shift key). If nothing else, the man's stamina and tenacity was something to admire. Five rallies in one day? He's made a pot-load of promises; promises that are very appealing. Let's see how well he does on those first 100 days.As to him being evil - I don't really think so. He doesn't take criticism, particularly from fools, and there are times when he should walk away or be silent rather than being a blabbermouth. I don't count those things as evil so much as foolish. But it is obvious by the last month of the campaign that he is a fast learner.
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  • Posted by IndianaGary 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'd recommend abolishing the IRS long with drastically cutting taxes and eliminating regulations. For that matter, let's eliminate the Department Education and the EPA.
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  • Posted by IndianaGary 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If we can ever stop Californian immigration perhaps we could stamp out socialism here in Vegas. Trump should build his first wall on the California border to keep them from polluting the rest of the country. Let them secede; our GDP would go up immediately by at least 10%.
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