What really motivates Tea Partiers who support Trump?

Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 8 months ago to Politics
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I wonder just how many of his alleged huge bandwagon are really paid shills?


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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Seems a bit premature to me. We have so much time left before the primary that if he answered he wouldn't be keeping your attention. Trump is a master at manipulating the press, this is why he's spent the least of all the candidates on promotion.
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  • Posted by H2ungar123 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wish Trump would JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS re: the WALL, re: illegals, re:
    making America great again. Just ANSWER
    THE DAMN QUESTIONS!!!!!
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sheesh, I have a headache and apparently I can't write well at the moment.

    CORRECTION: "Is it illegal? No."

    Sorry.
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  • Posted by $ number6 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think he has love of self and is lacking in 2,4,7, 9,10,13,14,15.

    The loss of fear of failure is important, as is the reason an individual got there Is it actually no longer fearing failure (a self limiting problem) or immunization from failure because of circumstances?

    And I agree its, very subjective. I also am not sure Hitler was there in that he was driven by his own power and not concerned with humanity as a whole. (interesting link https://sites.google.com/site/adolfhi...
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, I understand.

    My point though was that you shouldn't hold against Trump those things he did which were legal just because you find them distasteful. None of us are in his position, we don't have his money nor his responsibilities. The law being the measure, he acted within it to make his fortune.

    @JDG: Why should he not be proud of his own accomplishments? Also, he didn't say thats how our system is supposed to work, he's said that how it does work and he took used the system to his advantage.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The reason that Rockefeller didn't much mind if his business actions were legal is because he was judged retroactively by a law that didn't exist when he was amassing his fortune ethically. Rockefeller was a prototype for Rearden with regard to the kangaroo court scene.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Is it illegal? Yes.

    I'm certain Rockefeller, Edison, Carnegie, Westinghouse, Vanderbilt, etc all cared if what they did to amass their fortunes was liked by others. I suspect many of those didn't much mind if their business actions were legal either.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    that is an interesting, and an optimistic, list!!! . I believe that
    self-actualization is subjective and even Hitler was there.
    I feel that I got there, personally, when I found that there was
    more joy in my life than I could express, and I could
    do most of what I pleased with people who pleased me.

    it took longer to lose my fear of failure.

    The Donald is there, as he perceives things, in my humble opinion.
    and he sure is having fun with the levels below -- the love of others
    and the basics of shelter, clothing and food. -- j
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  • Posted by $ number6 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    When I read about Maslow in the past, I had bookmarked an article that said :

    Characteristics of self-actualizers:

    1. They perceive reality efficiently and can tolerate uncertainty;
    2. Accept themselves and others for what they are;
    3. Spontaneous in thought and action;
    4. Problem-centered (not self-centered);
    5. Unusual sense of humor;
    6. Able to look at life objectively;
    7. Highly creative;
    8. Resistant to enculturation, but not purposely unconventional;
    9. Concerned for the welfare of humanity;
    10. Capable of deep appreciation of basic life-experience;
    11. Establish deep satisfying interpersonal relationships with a few people;
    12. Peak experiences;
    13. Need for privacy;
    14. Democratic attitudes;
    15. Strong moral/ethical standards.

    I don't see Trump having most of those characteristics?
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    When "doing your best within the law" includes using lobbyists to buy influence on the Hill, it's wrong. And Trump not only admits to doing plenty of that, he's proud of it and says that's how our system is supposed to work.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Republicans rob you blind.
    Democrats make sure you are too poor to rob.

    From the perspective of the person being held up, not a whole lot of difference.
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  • Posted by $ number6 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would argue he is mainly in the esteem area .... that is because of his desire to ALWAYS be right and inability to admit mistakes. He also tends to factually overstate his achievements in order to build himself up.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 8 months ago
    his bodyguards are paid shills, but the crowds are not, IMHO.
    tea partiers see an "out" with him -- they voted against
    the D.C. mob last November 4th, and it didn't work.
    the mob is still screwing us over. . The Donald offers
    another choice previously unavailable -- a person
    free from the shackles of the D.C. money sources
    who just might be able to run this nation like a successful
    entrepreneurial business. . sure, he's surprising in
    some of the things he says, but we badly need an option
    which isn't just another version of the status quo. -- j
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I believe that he has been at the top of Maslow's hierarchy
    long enough to have flipped the scale -- he takes the self-actualization
    for granted and messes with the other rungs on the ladder
    for entertainment. . he has lost his fear of failure. -- j
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    there is Nothing Wrong with making big bucks by doing
    your best within the law, as he apparently has done.
    the only part which concerns me is eminent domain, but
    I don't know the particular situations.

    it's his purchase of influence -- contributing to politicians
    to further his purposes, for example -- which makes me
    say "amoral" in this context. . at least he appears to be
    a fine family man, and a good father. . a fine indication of value. -- j
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yessir, the slavery of punitive taxes used for purposes
    which we despise and cannot stop. -- john
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  • Posted by $ cz85b 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    slavery?? Because both major parties seem pretty cool with slavery of the masses... just sayin...
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah yes. However if everyone did that then no one would vote for evil. Unless they were truly evil. But since they don't the percentages of not supporting evil are low very low.

    Try this one to start a verbal fight. Is Christian Democrat an oxymoron?

    the Answer is not if i you can multi task or compartmentalize. Works on RINOs too.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are still big question marks next to Trump. Thankfully there's still along road to go. Hopefully in that time 1) he will mature in his statecraft and 2) He will put to rest some of the larger concerns about his running: he's not a DNC mole and he'll do whats in the best interest of the country. We have time.
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