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How to Deal With Irrational People: http://www.amazon.com/How-Deal-Irrati...
Not a total waste of $3. It has some suggestions dealing with irrational BEHAVIOR, not the irrational THINKING (Hillary is a woman; I'm a woman; therefore, I vote for her) that we Gulchers have to deal with in the world.
The main "take away" was a reaffirmation of what I already knew (and practice) when dealing with irrational BEHAVIOR: don't contest it, agree with the irrational person and, thus, buy some time for them to cool down; that they have a "need" but their behavior is preventing that need from being addressed.
In summary: "To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Tom Paine.
You gave a great summary--it's about temporary or limited irrational behavior, not a pattern or fundamental philosophy that is irrational. So it would seem there's still a need or opportunity out there...
However, I don't crave a lot of social contact. I'm not on Facebook (I guess this is my substitute). I work from home, and for the most part, don't miss the office environment. I do have a couple of friends from the old job that I meet for lunch about once a month, so I'm not a complete hermit. But I could be without much encouragement ;-)
Bobby
see https://freestateproject.org/
You figure it out be sure to let us know. I have all but become a hermit except for work (which I have to deal with people there) and moved to activities that involve family a few friends that can be rational at times.
After a year or two i find myself on the roller coaster of trying to get people to understand for 4 or 5 years and then I get sick of it again.
See what I mean? Everything we touch is tainted. I've minimized it in my own life, but I can't eradicate it. Short of cutting off all contact with the outside world and living as a self-supporting hermit, I am subject to the undeserved costs and unearned benefits of living under a socialist government.
I have resolved to never take any money directly from a government, and to always take the private option over the public option if that is available. So, no subsidized Obamacare, no government loans, etc.
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/gov...
How long I can be independent is yet to be seen. Ideally I will stay healthy and work like hell, relying on no one, then keel over.
Almost as great a challenge is what others here have already mentioned - dealing with dimwits around them.
Where I struggle is in the formulation of entrepreneurial ideas and plans for bringing these into fruition. Too many years of working as a wage slave, and surrounded by too many non-businesspeople.
I don't have 'producer' access on this site, so it won't let me message you. I don't have Twitter either, but would be happy to create an account, or if there are any admins or Producer-level folks here, I could pass my email address on to them to forward to you.
It is less challenging for my blood pressure to pick up the remote and go channel-surfing than to roar at the TV like a dino with rabies.
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts...
and here
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts...
See also, the prequel, Fallacies of Vision here in the Gulch
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts...
Thanks for the reviews, these sound like my kind of book!
VG
In my personal life, it was easy enough to find two wives (at different times) who read Ayn Rand's novels. Raising our daughter (2nd marriage), I relied on books that I knew from the Objectivist Newsletter 15 years before, such as How to Raise a Brighter Child and The Tyranny of Testing.
Overall, what I got from AR's novels generally and non-fiction in particular was the strength of my convictions. It is pretty easy to walk away from a bad deal, and even easier to throw my full support behind a good plan.
Allow me to recommend How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World by Harry Browne. He was deeply influenced by Ayn Rand, though his presentation of his ideas is his own. His thesis is that we allow ourselves to be trapped by unquestioned assumptions. One of them is that the government is powerful enough to stop you from living your life by your own standards. Another is that you must join big causes to be involved in burning issues of the day. A third is that financial independence is impossible, especially in our mixed (and now collapsing) economy.
You are the 2nd person here to recommend Browne's book. That's an interesting early trend here. Thanks again for your answer! Would you say you successfully found freedom in an unfree world?
Owing ;a bit is better than receiving a refund as it is up to sixteen or so months - no less than four of devalued money.that you are paying. As a refund it's devalued money they are refunding without benefit of interest.A mere pinpric but $100 times the amount of tax returns let's assume 200,000,000 is $200,000,000,000.00. two hundred billion in devalued buying power dollars. Where as you had the use of the money at a higher buying power rate .Small amount but significant.
In essence under the system they are giving your their money then demanding it back. Why not make maximum use of it and deny them masimum use of the amount.
Look for similar loopholes and please! Feel fre to stick it to them - legally. It's their rules not ours.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT!
I don't really believe in myself enough to pursue any great ambitions.
I'm not trying to talk down to you, but life's too short to doubt yourself to the point of never attempting to achieve. You only get one go (unless the Hindu's are right but you may come back as a flea (where's the fun in that). :)
And now for gratuitous inspirational music (remember I'm 47): https://youtu.be/Lf6ao8cvyoU
If it happened to be true that you would succeed eventually, even after lots of learning and struggle, do you know what type of subject or thing you would want to pursue? Let's talk about that.
I have found that beauty and the pursuit of it will energize my goal setting.
Good post. +1
I have people in my life that are pro-freedom and are productive and highly moral people but they are in my eyes operating totally without a net. And some of them have huge gaps where they assume some ideas or people are alright to bring into their life where I see glaring contradictions and dangers from doing so.
It is a challenge to find even objectivist friends who are not so busy looking for an excuse to cast judgment that they seemingly can't have an honest and far reaching philosophical discussion.
I hope you find many people here in the online Gulch who are positive and also "grounded" with a strong net. Hopefully I'll be one of them...and if you want to find more people local to you I hope you find them through this community too. (That isn't me currently, I see from your profile.)
When I was a young and new Objectivist, religion was my hot button in a big way. And I was good at activating religious people's hot buttons too...the highlight was when someone set a paper on my door on fire (in the dorm). I've since learned to project myself differently...anyway, I know your challenge! Thanks again for sharing it. If you are willing to continue discussing what you've tried and how it's worked (or not), that would be great and appreciated. Probably a good standalone question or topic however.
The problem is that on the one hand, a good merchant does not argue religion with his customer. If someone offers something you that want at a price that you are willing to pay, then no other consideration is relevant. On the other hand, the message of Atlas Shrugged is that we do not support our destroyers. If someone's religion (literal or figurative) is contrary to your values, you gain nothing from doing business with them.
I go back and forth on this all time.
As long as a trade with someone doesn't involve putting up more in the trade than we are receiving, for instance giving up a really important value more important than what we are receiving, the trade is rational. Or to put it another way, if the trade doesn't involve actual sacrifice of a greater value for a lesser one or a non-value then to trade is rational.
After working for the biggies for 30 years in the gold mining industry, this property was the chance of a lifetime. For a very small group of us, it was like our entire careers had led to this.
We were on the cusp in late May of raising several million dollars to test drill, and develop a mineral resource. The potential was fantastic. And then in the swoop of drawing a boundary line, federal agency bureaucrats changed the maps from low value habitat to priority habitat and recommending an historic mining district for locatable mineral withdrawal. This effectively cutoff any financing due to investment risk.
I am so angry, I cannot be anything approaching objective. The thoughts drift to the realm of retaliation - miners have lots of ordinance and explosives - but don't worry, no, I won't be on the news one evening. I can just see the fair and balanced treatment I would get.
So, what does objectivism have to contribute here? I am wide open to suggestions.
Contact the Pacific Legal Foundation for advice. PLF is a "public interest law" organization that specializes in defending private property rights in the courts and setting precedents.
Our situation is unraveling so fast, I think it will be a case of the old mining adage of "Deep Enough". The old context used to mean that there was usually too much dead rock that had to be moved that resources were spent.
Nowadays, it appears that the government agencies have created so much "overburden" that resources are all too exhaustible.
Many people blame 'others' for their own shortcomings, but you can validly say, "I had a good shot at a terrific enterprise, but my chance to excel was legislated out of existence by sage grouse regs."
Pretty slim, eh? It is all I can offer.
Government intervention may destroy the rest of the healthcare industry at any given moment...which would take Wm's and my company down. We all live on sufferance, at the government's whim.
Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?
Jan
It is the gut side that is struggling to come to grips with any rationally developed viewpoint here. Anger, frustration, disappointment, disbelief intertwine with the objective mind. Since we are not Spock like creatures the exercise of integrating these sides of being human is an interesting endeavor.
Maybe it comes under the heading of don't get mad, get even. Because of the extent of the impact of what they are doing, and the blatant illegality of what they pulled, we fully expect this to produce a whopper of a lawsuit coming from the likes of AEMA (American Exploration and Mining Association) and others. I'd be glad to testify to the technical gerrymandering the agencies engaged in. I have it all documented with maps.
Jan
Perhaps it isn't Objectivism but unconventional military warfare strategy you need. Have you thought about using press and independent media to help your cause? I'm serious. I have a specific lead for you. Sharing and asking for help with your story among objectivist, libertarian, and free market channels should be a real consideration for you in my humble opinion. You can't fight an enemy with their favored tools and strategies. You need to use other means that exploit their weaknesses.
20 years ago, I began a book about the history of the public lands. It's called "The Sagebrush Rebellion, An American History of the Public Lands". I lost momentum when the Son of Sage Rebellion of the mid-90's fell apart on rigged federal court decisions. (Nye County, amongst others)
I am of a mind to dust it off, and bring it into the 21st Century. It is a huge undertaking.
It was in Jefferson Canyon, tho, on that eventful day on July 4th, 1994 that he impressed me the most in a small but key way. The big events of the day ( a huge story in itself, that I address in the book) were over. It was hot. A lot of people were sitting in the shade of the now "evil" Pinyon-Juniper Forest trees just gabbing away. I heard Cliven nearby telling another rancher that he would like to buy a copy of his VHS footage of the days events. My immediate thought was: He did not just say "Can I get a copy?". He said "Can I buy a copy?" He knows the value of trade and of giving value for value. That has stuck with me all these years.
I have all of my own footage of the events of that day on VHS. I must get them into digital.
“The plans, the movements, the crusades — none of these things has worked. And so the unfree person continues to dream, to condemn, and to remain where he is.
“You can be free without changing the world. You can live your life as you want to live it — no matter what others decide to do with their lives."
Browne, Harry (2014-07-22). How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World (Kindle Locations 219-237). Kindle Edition.
LOL!
I have talked to lots of teachers and we share a love a bright happy curious kids. Then the discussion is how can we get them through the school system without becoming brain dead. I make a passionate plea for training in reason through the classic Quadrivium and Trivium as giving the kids the sense of command of their own minds. A debate with both parties agreeing on the goal as a flourishing child is a debate on means not ends which is much better. Let me know if I have been obscure or missed something.
Your idea is interesting and it fits with our purpose of using the wonder of seeing how it all fits to remove the barriers to grasping Objectivism. Follow up if you are interested.
But I'm equally intrigued by your brief intro about developing products from Objectivism and the role of marketing. That's where we were going here. Let me know if we can chat in realtime. Would be my privilege. Thanks!
I have found - through research, personal experienceand indirect experience working with my executive coaching clients over 15 years that developing a deep, meaningful and practically powerful spirituality and set of spritual disciplines tremendously raises the bar my performance, fulfillment, resilience and overall capacity to live larger and more successfully.
How to do this on a secular basis, without the involvement of mysticism or supernaturalism has been my single biggest challenge in integrating Objectivist principles in my life.
Would you mind sharing more on what you have done so far, and how well it worked (or didn't)? Perhaps it's worth a new question to the Gulch here. If you ask it I'll definitely participate in the discussion. Thanks again for your answer!
Thanks for the great message and the kind declaration of fanhood. Ha!.
You say "relative neighbor". Are you in Texas? Houston?
Let's continue the conversation by email, then we can decide if we want to bring it back to the Gulch, and if so, how and in what form?
kimsawyer@theWealthSource.com
Social Security, as the money I had paid in was
gone. They cut people in the plant where I worked,
and I was sent away last October. And I have tried and tried and tried to get a job. (I also have
tried to avoid stores, at least running the cash
register, as stores sell so much Communist
crap).( There are jobs I could get, if I didn't have
epilepsy and could drive a car;a landscaping
job I was turned down for, for instance.But I
would have had to drive a dirt-pushing machine,
and I was told it wouldn't do. And obviously, I
can't drive a cab). My brother pushed the idea
of going to to Salvation Army for help, but I
would starve first. (Not that I have started to
starve yet; but who knows?) One gets into
very embarrassing difficulties.
Statism is the first ailment that hypocrites are inflicted with. So, I deal with it among others who call themselves Objectivists. I deal with it in the evening news every damn night. I deal with it from all angles. Big government is here to stay because, deep down, that's what almost everybody really wants.
I should elaborate. Many of my friends who call themselves "conservatives" really want big government. They actually like seeing people dressed in costumes using force. They speak of smaller government, yet are very eager to make some key exceptions.
In short - we are a nation, a society of sheep. I don't fit in.