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Juvenile Justice

Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 3 months ago to Government
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Our whole juvenile justice system is crazy. Look, I realize that the current issues confronting Biden are at the forefront, but the Juvenile system has been screwed up as long as Biden has been in Washington and even before.The system is crazy not only here in Florida but everywhere. There just is no such thing as juvenile crime anymore; at whatever age it's just plain simple crime -- we all know everyday we see murders committed by kids -- 14, 15, 16, 17 or younger. sometimes much younger.Two 12 year olds in Chicago threw a kid of 5 from a high rise.In England, two 10 year old boys killed a 2 year old. It's the same with robberies,assaults, rapes, car-jackings, you name it.Yet the law enforcers , handcuffed by the ridiculous, archaic system that should have been thrown out years ago. What I'm suggesting is that juvenile records shouldn't be sealed at all. Every crime should go on record and stay there, and be available to investigators.If the ACLU doesn't like it, in Trump Terms, "Screw It!" If you break the law, it goes on your record.That's among the prices you pay for breaking the law.

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  • Posted by NealS 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually she loves her son (as I do). It was in his best interest, she actually wanted him locked up to protect him. Even though the system saved his life and he came out okay they still let him down. They actually talked him into not finishing his last year of high school. He had like one class to take and he blew it off. But he's the best automotive detailer a large used car dealership has in a little podunk town now. Even the salesmen have their cars detailed by him on weekends.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're right about judges. It'd usually be detectives that need records unsealed, and they are usually the personality types that hate paperwork.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I had two bright boys only 19 months apart. If you were to ask them, each would claim that their brother was the rude miscreant. The competition between them was a wonder to behold. If one collected comic books, the other collected more valuable comic books. If one built LEGO castles the other built LEGO Monuments, etc.One became an engineer specializing in project management the other skipped college and went into business. Both are successful.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I dunno. You often can get used to the pain. Buddy Hackett told of eating his mother's food gave him a continuous heartburn. When he went into the army, eating their bland "Goyish" food, he lost his heartburn and immediately went to the camp doctor. When the Doc asked him what was his trouble, after giving it some thought he blurted out, "My fire's gone out!"
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly. "Karma" works both ways. The value created by people making honest trades is so great, it seems magical, but it's actually just the result of human work and ingenuity.
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    Posted by rhfinle 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm with you. For thousands of years, until the 1900's we had an apprenticeship system where a kid would learn a trade and be useful to society around age 16 or so. Then comes the public school system and child labor laws that force kids into 'safe' government schools where they can be indoctrinated. The only bright side is, that after a dozen years of it, only about half end up actually believing it.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The lesson is that every action has conserquences. Karma was taken from the idea that if you put in good it will return good to you. If you put in evil, then you will suffer evil and so will others, usually those you care for.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Most of them. I was thinking of implants but before they were done the only ones using them would be worms.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A six year old who ACCIDENTALLY kills is one thing. Two of them who lure the kid away, and sadistically kill a 2yr old... Kinda bad seeds there.. Not sure I want those flowers in my garden, so to speak...
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And keep in mind, it can be anonimized.
    You can have the details, and not the identity until you present it to a judge!

    But I no longer trust judges...
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, unfortunately, again, people learned the WRONG POINT.

    Parents SHOULD NOT RAISE CHILDREN! (This is what they THINK they should do, and they DO).

    Parents are GIVEN Children, to turn into productive adults.

    My daughter wrote me "I wish I could haven given you a father, like you were to me... But I fear, then, that you would have never been that father to me!"
    Precious!

    Look, every piece of clay can be molded into something. Our job is to study/work with the clay. To find a shape it might enjoy, and the courage to try.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Someone criticized me... because I used various bribes and rewards.

    For example, I PAID her $5/hr to go through ALL of the Free Microsoft Office Training and take the tests, and show me what she learned in 10 minutes, each day.

    That gave her money over the summer vacation to go do stuff with. Watching her struggle with "I want more money, but I NEED FUN TIME", was quite amusing. And she learned... You will NEVER make ALL THE MONEY.

    But thank you.
    Hint for parents with Younger kids: I had her do 2 minutes of HOME KEY Typing as PAYMENT to use the computer for the day.
    It slowly increased to touch typing for 10 minutes. She hit 80 WPM in 5th grade, because she wanted a Halloween Outfit I thought we Pricey!

    She hated me... And thanked me... :-)

    But thank you! The ART is to not make it painful...
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think you're saying teaching them about jail is important. That's true, but even more important is teaching the idea of people treating one another honestly and about how value is created when people do work and trade honestly what they have to give others things they want from others. That creates great prosperity, which is the opposite consequence from not respecting others.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    [Sarcasm]You're a child abuser.[/Sarcasm]
    I bet some people honestly think that, but you did what successful people who want the best for their kids have always done. Once she got a job and started studying to go college early, she was the one doing and work and getting the rewards, which is how it should be.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Laughing...you must still have your original teeth to es(chew) all of that...or did you just sneeze!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your girl was more than precocious. Unfortunately, she was way above the norm. We've got everyone else's kid in the entire world to deal with. And, most of them, alas, are not anywhere near your daughter. I have had the good fortune (or possibly misfortune) to deal with two boys similar to your daughter. And they just keep coming. My middle grandchild, a girl, could be your daughter's twin, intellectually. Whew! Is she ever tough.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your solution is pretty biblical, but I don't think you'll get very far with it. In today's world, children hold a kind of sanctified place when it comes to crime. "They didn't know what they were doing." which may be true in some cases. But there was more truth than fiction in the play, "The Bad Seed."
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  • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Getting juvenile information unsealed is a whole big deal. Causes lots of paperwork and approval by a judge and after doing the paperwork there's no guarantee that the judge will approve it unless he owes the cop putting in the papers a favor.Nothing is as simple as it looks.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Which is one of the reasons I eschew party's altogether.If they can't think for themselves they'll be as smart as AOC and on a downward spiral.
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